61.58…. Flight Review?

[skymac]

I’ve asked several people this question and got several answers, even a FAA guy…

When you do a standard 3 day 61.58 part 91 type recurrent at say Flight Safety, does that count for a 61.56 flight review? The way I read it, it does not.

“61.56 - (d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed any of the following need not accomplish the flight review required by this section:

(1) A pilot proficiency check or practical test conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege.”

You are doing a proficiency check, but it’s not an Iacra application, at least on the applicant side. I’ve always wondered about this. I know the assumption is that it is, but without an actual checkride? I dunno. Maybe I’m over thinking it.

 

[Wardogg]

61.58 is a proficiency check. That’s stated verbatim as an acceptable substitute for the flight review. What am I missing?

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

but it’s not an Iacra application

What does that have to do with it? A standard 61.56 flight review doesn’t require an IACRA application either. Are you reading some extra words into the regs that aren’t there?

 

[DropTank]

You are doing a proficiency check, but it’s not an Iacra application, at least on the applicant side. I’ve always wondered about this. I know the assumption is that it is, but without an actual checkride? I dunno. Maybe I’m over thinking it.

3 day is a Progressive check ride. No IACRA since no certificate action is being conducted.
You can screw up 2 tasks and be trained to proficiency ONCE for each unsat task.
Screw up twice on any one task or on 3 separate tasks, then it turns into a 3 day recurrent with a check ride after.

With turbojet 61.58's, you will be held to ATP standards regardless of certificate held.

 

[Wardogg]

3 day is a Progressive check ride. No IACRA since no certificate action is being conducted.
You can screw up 2 tasks and be trained to proficiency ONCE for each unsat task.
Screw up twice on any one task or on 3 separate tasks, then it turns into a 3 day recurrent with a check ride after.

With turbojet 61.58's, you will be held to ATP standards regardless of certificate held.

What about turbofans?

 

[skymac]

All that is understood…. I guess I didn’t type it clearly…

Does a 61.56 get covered on a progressive 61.58?

61.56 states a pilot proficiency check counts and most people seem to “think” that counts. Polling people I know, they don’t seem to be doing flight reviews because they believe a recurrent counts. I just didn’t think it did, so I always get a flight review as well, but if that’s unnecessary, then so be it.

 

[Wardogg]

Why would I "think" that if the regulation specifically states that it is the case? What's left to interpretation?

 

[DropTank]

What about turbofans?

Turbofans are only operated by robots

 

[skymac]

Dude…. I don’t know, I’m asking as basic question and no solid answers? Does it or does it not?

 

[DropTank]

Dude…. I don’t know, I’m asking as basic question and no solid answers? Does it or does it not?

Yes, the answer is yes.

jeeze mon!@

 

[SteveC]

It does.

 

[skymac]

Thanks for the replies! Good to know. I couldn’t convince myself on how it reads.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Thanks for the replies! Good to know. I couldn’t convince myself on how it reads.

You wouldn't be the first to read a lot of extra words into a regulation that don't exist. 61.56 really doesn't say

(d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed any of the following need not accomplish the flight review required by this section:​

(1) A pilot proficiency check, except for the pilot proficiency check described in §61.58, or practical test conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege,​