3 hrs instrument for Private Pilot

[B757plt2B]

Regarding Subpart K of 61.109, I was curious as to whether or not the 2.5 hours of training allowed by this could be "credited" towards the 3 hours of "flight solely by reference to instruments" requirement for the Private Pilot Certificate?
Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[Grabo172]

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(k) Permitted credit for use of a flight simulator or flight training device. (1) Except as provided in paragraphs (k)(2) of this section, a maximum of 2.5 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device representing the category, class, and type, if applicable, of aircraft appropriate to the rating sought, may be credited toward the flight training time required by this section, if received from an authorized instructor.



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It sure can... as long as it is given by an authorized instructor and the instructor signs your log book.

Of course it has to be an FAA approved Simulator or FTD.

So you only have to really do .5 in the plane if you're going to use this part of the rule.

-Erik

 

[B757plt2B]

That was my understanding as well, however when I presented my student to the examiner with 2.2 hood time in airplanes and 4 in a simulator, it was not good enough. He informed us that FSDO was of the opinion that the 2.5 rule could not apply to instrument time. Luckily he was nice enough to let us get the remaining .8 before starting the practical test. I will try FSDO once I have the time.

 

[BoilerPilot2007]

This is one of those things that depends on the interpretation of the examiner it seems. Check with the local FSDO if you're not sure.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

I think you'll find that the interpretation is fairly uniform. The requirements for a certificte or rating are broken down into "generic" requirements and "aircraft-specific" requirements. The 2.5 hours can be used to satisfy the 20 hours of instruction in general, but not any of the requirements that specifically require an "airplane".

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3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by reference to instrument
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So, there is, for example, no problem with doing and counting FTD time for simulated instruments, so long as at least 3 hours are in a "single-engine airplane"

 

[bike21]

Just to clarify - I think what MidlifeFlyer is saying is that you cannot count FTD time for the 3 hours. (which is correct) At least 3 hours MUST be in the airplane itself. Anything extra is cool.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Exactly

 

[Grabo172]

guess I have to go back and redo my private then... I used a sim to meet .6 of my 3.3 Instrument I had when I went for my private checkride in 1997...

Oh Know...

 

[bike21]

oops! I would keep that fact to yourself then

I have heard horror stories of folks getting stripped of various ratings because they didn't actually meet the req's for a previous certificate or rating.

 

[Grabo172]

I'm not worried about it, that's exactly how I filled it out on my 8710, and the FAA took it.

I still think section (k) allows the use of the SIM for 2.5 of the three hours... otherwise, why even mention that it can be used to fill the "requirements of this part" if it won't fill the requirements...

But the horse is dead and been beat to a pulp, buried, then exhumed and beat again...

 

[gomntwins]

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oops! I would keep that fact to yourself then

I have heard horror stories of folks getting stripped of various ratings because they didn't actually meet the req's for a previous certificate or rating.

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It used to be the case... but not anymore. The FAA now recognizes that it was a mistake made by one of their designated examiners as well. So, what they'll do is 'pull' your cert until you've completed whatever was required. Example: you go into your commercial ride with 35 hours of hood time and are instrument rated pt. 61, so you're five hours short. What you need to do is go up, fly five hours under the hood or with a CFII in actual, and the point at which you meet the minimum requirements... you can than use your instrument rating. They will not 'yank' it anymore... they'll just make you meet the mins prior to exercising the priviledges of whatever rating or cert.