2 quick questions

[flyguy]

First, can you log time in an approved FTD with an CFII as simulated instrument?

Second, can an instrument student log dual time in actual as PIC?

I'm having trouble interpreting the FARs and get different answers from different instructors. My ground instructor says yes on the first and no on the second, and my flight instructor says the opposite. Any clarification anyone could add would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Ophir]

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First, can you log time in an approved FTD with an CFII as simulated instrument?

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Yes

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Second, can an instrument student log dual time in actual as PIC?[/quote}


My understanding is yes because he/she is the sole manipulator of the flight controls and is certificated for the aircraft. The reason you are in IMC legally is that your instructor is instrument rated and qualified but you are manipulating the controls.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

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First, can you log time in an approved FTD with an CFII as simulated instrument?

[/ QUOTE ]Technically yes. 61.51(3) says the conditions of flight logged include "(iii) Simulated instrument conditions in flight, a flight simulator, or a flight training device." But. practically speaking, most don't log it this way because the "simulated instrument" column in most logbooks is really designed for "simulated instrument in flight" (hood time) and putting the FTD numbers in the column can cause some math problems when totaling flight time. For example, the 8710 certificate and rating applications wants you to report the two separately. So most pilots tend to use the Sim/FTD column for the purpose. At the point where you use a sim for something other than instrument work, you'll probably want to add an second column or a new "rule" in a god electronic logbook.

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Second, can an instrument student log dual time in actual as PIC?

[/ QUOTE ] So long as we're talking about an airplane the pilot is already rated for, yes. Absolutely. No question about it except from the ignorant. 61.51 says so and the FAA legal counsel has consistently agreed with that interpretation for almost 25 years.