141 Private Night Requirements

azaviator08

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I looked it up in the Reg's and I am pretty sure that I am right. The night flight requirement for private pilots is a 100 nm total cross country night flight. Does this mean that the first point of intended land needs to be 100 nm's away? Or that the total of the flight need to be 100 nm's?
 
I just looked it up on faa.gov. When I read it, I understand it to mean 100nm total(ie. round trip). Then I thought back to my private training and recalled that particular training flight as being 120nm total. I guess that's two points in favor of 100nm total. I look forward to additional comments.
 
I looked back at my training and mine was not 100nm one way. Seems kinda long for a night cross country for a private applicant. I just wonder why the reg's state the 100nm in the first place. Since all cross countries need to be 50nm anyways.
 
Do your student a favor and have them do a flight that meets the commercial too. If I remember right this is 100 miles away.
 
It would say the at least 100nm straight line one leg if it was required that way. Where are you flying here in AZ?
 
3 hrs of night training - XC of over 100 NM total (50.5 out, 50.5 back!). 10 T/O and Lndg to full stop each with a trip in the pattern. Get it all done in one session!!
Comm is over 100 NM straight line dist from point of origin and over 2 hrs in duration.
 
There is no 100NM straight line distance requirement for private instruction in the 141 environment unless a school TCO dictates otherwise.
 
I'll echo what others have said in that it's 3 hours, a 100NM(total distance) X-C, and 10 takeoffs and landings. We generally split up the night work into two lessons. One lesson consists of 7 takeoffs and landings to let the student get a grip on it and the second flight starts out with a warm up takeoff and landing local followed by the X-C.
 
100+ NM Total Distance. 50 each way is fine.

That said, for 141 you'll need to comply with whatever is approved for the course of training, which may be different.
 
141 is a sales gimmick. I used to instruct at a 141 school, and never had anyone make it in 35 hours, except for 1 person. And he had been flying with his dad since he was 6 months old. He just needed me there to make it legal. Besides, structured or not, why skimp on training in such a dangerous enviroment as the sky? I never understood this. Any body who wants to esplain (yes it syas esplain) me go ahead. I'm all ears(or eyes rather).
 
Hopefully quality control.

In theory,


In reality however, I've never seen any difference between 141 and 61 schools. Except possibly that the 141 schools were populated mostly by time builders, while the old grey haired pros taught at the 61 schools.
 
141 is a sales gimmick. I used to instruct at a 141 school, and never had anyone make it in 35 hours, except for 1 person. And he had been flying with his dad since he was 6 months old. He just needed me there to make it legal. Besides, structured or not, why skimp on training in such a dangerous enviroment as the sky? I never understood this. Any body who wants to esplain (yes it syas esplain) me go ahead. I'm all ears(or eyes rather).


Must be a 141 FAA approved school for the student to use his/her VA benefits. So, when Uncle Sam foots the bill for 60% of $30,000 worth of training...I'm going with the 'structured' 141 school.
 
Must be a 141 FAA approved school for the student to use his/her VA benefits. So, when Uncle Sam foots the bill for 60% of $30,000 worth of training...I'm going with the 'structured' 141 school.

Like I said, a sales gimmik. At AF, ALL OF THE INSTRUCTORS, were leach time builders. That was one reason I stoped working there. The theroy is a good one, but we are not robots, as such, are brains all think differently. I had one student who after 4 flights with me, and 65+ hours, still couldent even fly a proper downwind! WTG 141/Multiple instructors.
 
In theory,


In reality however, I've never seen any difference between 141 and 61 schools. Except possibly that the 141 schools were populated mostly by time builders, while the old grey haired pros taught at the 61 schools.

I'll expand on my statment, quality control between CFIs. i.e.
Steep turns will be taught, ABC123 no matter which CFI you go to.

61 or 141 will use a syllabus and sometimes the exact same syllabus.
I personally like 61 better.
 
While there are soooo many CFIs throwing out the words "time builder", I don't think many of them here are career CFIs.

The way I heard it once, "we are all time building, no matter what you are doing until you have 4000 TT and 2000 turbine PIC. Then there isn't a question".
 
I'll expand on my statment, quality control between CFIs. i.e.
Steep turns will be taught, ABC123 no matter which CFI you go to.

In theory yes,

In reality however, at every 141 school I've been involved in the quality of instruction varied widely.
 
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