Skywest ERJ vs. B-52

[Lawman]

I like seeing flyovers at events, but it seems like more trouble than it worth in some spots. Also, seems like a place DOGE could have saved the tax payers some money.

You mean like executing a time on/over target scenario from a planned in/egress point? Navigation of the national airspace system, flight and mission planning for junior aircrews? Exercising deployment of assets to expeditionary sites for mission? That sort of thing?

Also these are directed and scheduled by way higher levels than any squadron/brigade ops department. And the flight hours spent doing it aren’t extra, they are flown from programmed hours.

We can get every training task a flyover done properly we need and add mission training to the front/back as required for the stuff you don’t see as “hooooooommmmmeeee offffff theeeee!!!” blares through a speaker. And we get the recruitment box checked same as air shows and static displays.

 

[MikeD]

Some of the reporting says that the controllers weren’t FAA. Relevant?

Doubt it. Most of the NFCTs ive seen, are former civil and mil controllers. They seem to do fine, can’t tell any difference from a fed tower vs a non-fed one. Around us, CHD, GYR, GEU, FLG, IFP, and RYN are all private contract towers, and they do fine work.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Some of the reporting says that the controllers weren’t FAA. Relevant?

Tower is contract, approach control is DoD. FCT’s are always staffed to minimum. Not uncommon for someone to be alone almost their entire shift.

 

[knot4u]

You mean like executing a time on/over target scenario from a planned in/egress point? Navigation of the national airspace system, flight and mission planning for junior aircrews? Exercising deployment of assets to expeditionary sites for mission? That sort of thing?

Also these are directed and scheduled by way higher levels than any squadron/brigade ops department. And the flight hours spent doing it aren’t extra, they are flown from programmed hours.

We can get every training task a flyover done properly we need and add mission training to the front/back as required for the stuff you don’t see as “hooooooommmmmeeee offffff theeeee!!!” blares through a speaker. And we get the recruitment box checked same as air shows and static displays.

Not to mention screwing it up can ruin a career forever.

 

[Murdoughnut]

It's military contractors now, apparently - Southwest flight descends 475 feet to avoid 'midair collision' with Hawker Hunter

 

[scooter2525]

Check gear down and locked.

CHECKKwheelsdown

 

[SteveC]

It's military contractors now, apparently - Southwest flight descends 475 feet to avoid 'midair collision' with Hawker Hunter

Funny, the news report I saw on tv said it was a “business jet”. Looked up the wrong model of Hawker I guess.

 

[///AMG]

Ahhh man, the Mk-58 strikes again. Was this ATAC? I know they fly out of Mugu a lot, not sure where they are home based though. Only Hunter operator I'm aware of stateside, though maybe privately owned one? Wouldn't surprise me in that area.

 

[///AMG]

CHECKKwheelsdown

6 down and locked

 

[ahw01]

Only one jet would be squawking if in standard formation, wingman would be in standby. The old mil IFFs I flew with, Mode 3 would be wonky, and unfortunately civil ATC can’t see Modes 1 or 2 of the system.



They were on with MIB RAPCON before changed to tower, so I imagine their Mode 3C was squawking. These were probably the only two larger aircraft airborne in the area at that time. Fairgrounds just south of the field. Would figure the two aircraft would’ve been advised of one another being in the general area what intentions were.

Did we not upgrade these to Mode C or S?

 

[MikeD]

Did we not upgrade these to Mode C or S?

Mode C, but they were older systems back in my day and likely when the story was from. I’m sure they’re many levels upgraded systems now.

 

[CFI A&P]

Unrelated but it pisses me off so much that we go into a hold for 15+ minutes (once a sup even told center to let a guy divert if he was min fuel) just so they can do a damned fly by over Met Life for a football game.

Let’s be honest, the fly over might be the most exciting part of game day at MetLife.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Some of the reporting says that the controllers weren’t FAA. Relevant?

My 'home' TRACON was Navy.

Probably, but we don't talk about it.

 

[///AMG]

Did we not upgrade these to Mode C or S?

Tactical military airplanes (unlike non-strategic airlift heavies, and maybe some helos) use mode C only stateside. We don't have TCAS or any form of ADS-B out. We do have radars, and I can interrogate IFF/transponders......we just generally don't in civilian airspace because it affects ATC ground interrogations. A Mk-58 Hawker Hunter or B-52 does not own an air to air radar though. Normally Mode 3 is fine, like any airplane it breaks from time to time. But wingmen in standard formation (at or inside 1 NM and cleared altitude) do not squawk at all.

 

[Lawman]

Tactical military airplanes (unlike non-strategic airlift heavies, and maybe some helos) use mode C only stateside. We don't have TCAS or any form of ADS-B out. We do have radars, and I can interrogate IFF/transponders......we just generally don't in civilian airspace because it affects ATC ground interrogations. A Mk-58 Hawker Hunter or B-52 does not own an air to air radar though. Normally Mode 3 is fine, like any airplane it breaks from time to time. But wingmen in standard formation (at or inside 1 NM and cleared altitude) do not squawk at all.

Point of order:

The APX-123 transponder can do ADS-B out/in. Only certain ones were enabled with that capability across the force. It’s kind of like the problem we’re having with Link-16 time use on certain aircraft meeting compliance requirements and others not being there because money.

 

[MikeD]

Tactical military airplanes (unlike non-strategic airlift heavies, and maybe some helos) use mode C only stateside. We don't have TCAS or any form of ADS-B out. We do have radars, and I can interrogate IFF/transponders......we just generally don't in civilian airspace because it affects ATC ground interrogations. A Mk-58 Hawker Hunter or B-52 does not own an air to air radar though. Normally Mode 3 is fine, like any airplane it breaks from time to time. But wingmen in standard formation (at or inside 1 NM and cleared altitude) do not squawk at all.

What does the Gen 2 Hawker Hunter do for ATAC? A Korean War aggressor simulator? Target tow?

 

[///AMG]

Point of order:

The APX-123 transponder can do ADS-B out/in. Only certain ones were enabled with that capability across the force. It’s kind of like the problem we’re having with Link-16 time use on certain aircraft meeting compliance requirements and others not being there because money.

Further point of order. The APX-111 can also now do ADS-B out/in as of maybe 6-7 years ago and an older software build or two. But it is still prohibited for us to use. Fortunately we overcame the Link-16 interoperability hurdle long ago. Sorry you guys use individual trees as georefs? Probably HQII and KY-58 too like rotary peasants

 

[///AMG]

What does the Gen 2 Hawker Hunter do for ATAC? A Korean War aggressor simulator? Target tow?

Oh man, we could have an entire topic on this with me just ranting over and over. You are correct. It is mindless flying metal that buys the taxpayer nothing. But the cottage industry of red air ya know

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Further point of order. The APX-111 can also now do ADS-B out/in as of maybe 6-7 years ago and an older software build or two. But it is still prohibited for us to use. Fortunately we overcame the Link-16 interoperability hurdle long ago. Sorry you guys use individual trees as georefs? Probably HQII and KY-58 too like rotary peasants

For what we spend on *wildly gestures* the least it can do is be an equal participant in domestic airspace, so as to avoid whacking the rest of us then and there in suitably-equipped airplanes.

 

[MikeD]

Further point of order. The APX-111 can also now do ADS-B out/in as of maybe 6-7 years ago and an older software build or two. But it is still prohibited for us to use. Fortunately we overcame the Link-16 interoperability hurdle long ago. Sorry you guys use individual trees as georefs? Probably HQII and KY-58 too like rotary peasants

KY-57, HQ I, with the new Link 11. Along with 30mm, Mk20s and an ALQ-119