ways to go from CPL to 1000TT w/o CFI'ing?

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Ehhh....not the best advice ever. I wholeheartedly endorse volunteering one's time/talents to CAP--I've contributed 22 years' worth, myself--but free flight time isn't as free-flowing as you suggest and I discourage those seeking out CAP membership solely for the free flying opportunities as they're likely to be disappointed.

<--Spaatz #901/Lt Col, CAP

Granted, I should have pointed out there's a lot more to being in the CAP than just building free flight time, and it can be a pain in the butt to get fully qualified, but it's a great way to serve (I wouldn't endorse flying for free if it wasn't in the spirit of 'service'). Some people call the CAP "Come And Pay", because you do have to rent the plane for your checkrides, proficiency flying, etc. But it's dirt cheap compared to what you spend to rent a plane from an FBO. And there is a lot of taxpayer funded flying out there if you seek it out, i.e. there are always kids looking for free plane rides, there are always exercises going on, there are always ELTs going off. While I still maintain my membership, I really haven't done anything with them since 2004 so maybe things are different now, but I definitely got out of it what I put into it.
 
You guys are pathetic...

Mike... You should know better... more to the point you don't have to post ANY advice for anyone! Yes, you would be correct that it is smart to listen more than one speaks. Based on this comment you went from being someone I looked up and listened to with fervor category to the "uh maybe not anymore" category. Maybe you have had a bad day/week... but saying such things is not positive nor does it help anyone. If you don't like the results you get from the advice you give just refrain from responding to it.
This is just my opinion. If it rubs you the wrong way and you want to comment in a similar fashion PM me....

Surreal... just stop.... 'nuff said.
Here is how I see it. Someone asks a question. If he is smart he'll be open to any and all advice that he may get. If someone like mikeinterweb comes along and gives him advice that doesn't make him feel all warm and fuzzy, then tell him thank you and forget about the post. But to tell mikeinterweb that he is lecturing, berating, and belittling is comedic. All of which were mentioned prior to mikeinterweb wishing him good luck.

Once again I never once told you that you have to CFI. I told you that if you don't like teaching you better stick to single-pilot flying and/or being a co-pilot your whole career as being a captain is very much a teacher/mentor position. I even had a "single-pilot" position where I had to take on SICs and let them fly slow and an inefficient manner while I sat there fully knowing I could do it better. There are three members on this board that were my SICs. Yes they put up with my BS but I would hope that each of them would tell you that I taught them alot when I was in a position that I didn't "have" to teach them anything.

The point is at sometime in this career you are most likely going to be forced into teaching and coaching someone with less experience then you. If you think you aren't going to make a good teacher, maybe you should look ahead in your career and think about if it’s for you. If you look at the responses in this thread, with rare exception those that have been there and done that and are at places where new pilots want to be, all have said go out be a CFI it will make you a better and more capable pilot. When I had 175 hours I thought I knew it all and being a CFI was the last thing I wanted to do. But it took some people to steer me in the right direction and I found CFIing to be a rewarding and great learning experience.

So if responding to a post makes you "not know about me" anymore, I'm sorry. I'm not going to sit here and blow sunshine up someone’s ass and tell them lies. Maybe the OP should look at what he is asking and see how realistic it is. He basically wants a job handed to him when he has basically no experience. When others make suggestions he frets and yells "but mommy I don't want to be a teacher". Well grasshopper go out and don't teach, let me know how that works out for you. I'll tell you right now you'll be missing out and your skills as a captain will be significantly limited.
 
Surreal... just stop.... 'nuff said.

Just stop what?

What exactly did I "start?"

Someone asks a question. . .a number of us give an answer / input.

Nothing to stop.

Or - am I suppose to not agree with someone via quoting their text and providing the :nana2: smiley?
 
mikecweb said:
The point is at sometime in this career you are most likely going to be forced into teaching and coaching someone with less experience then you.


Speak for yourself! "Gear up, flaps up, shut up."

I kid, I kid. Single pilot is cool precisely because you don't have to deal with other people, but sooner or later you will. Might as well man up and get used to it. Again, though, these dudes don't want to hear about what they're going to have to do, they want to hear about the magic way that only applies to them. I was the same way (in a different and less irritating manner, I hope). You probably were too. Ever shall it be so. Nod, smile, pop a cold one, and shake your head at human nature. If my experience is any metric, there will be a lot of unpleasant stuff you didn't expect, but the things that are rewarding aren't the things you expected them to be, either. And that's kind of cool.
 
i think this thread is getting away from my original intentions.

i have already heard the virtues of CFI'ing, and i was merely looking for other options.

yes i understand many of you feel CFI'ing is THE WAY, but I am equally sure there are plenty of other pilots who have found other ways to get from A to B.

not once did I say, i know it all, i hate being around other pilots, and i want a silver platter with a sweet gig.

i asked for anyone with tips on other options.

THAT IS ALL.

:rolleyes:
 
iyes i understand many of you feel CFI'ing is THE WAY, but I am equally sure there are plenty of other pilots who have found other ways to get from A to B.


Yes, but they are not going to have the skills and CRM as someone who CFI'd. Sorry but thats the truth. Thats what people on here are trying to tell you.

If I was ever on a hiring board for a company, I would never hire anyone without instructor expierience. Have you thought about that?
 
Yes, but they are not going to have the skills and CRM as someone who CFI'd. Sorry but thats the truth. Thats what people on here are trying to tell you.

If I was ever on a hiring board for a company, I would never hire anyone without instructor expierience. Have you thought about that?

Sorry, I have to call BS. As stated above, the absolute best captain I have every flown with - the best stick, best mentor and best at CRM, never was a CFI in 30+ years of flying. Don't get me wrong, being a CFI is a great way to go and I highly recommend it! However, I'd take a freight dog with no CFI any day over a just a CFI.

Disclaimer - this was not meant as a personal attack and feel free to regard my opine as BS also. Here ya go surreal! :nana2: :D
 
there was this girl in our school. she didn't wanna CFI. she did get her CFI though.... she ended up leaving and going to this place called IBC. I think she paid like 7500 for her saab 340 SIC rating, and now she flies to caribeans and stuff. her times were around 200/30 or so....

look into IBC if u wanna do something like that.
 
Yes, but they are not going to have the skills and CRM as someone who CFI'd. Sorry but thats the truth. Thats what people on here are trying to tell you.

If I was ever on a hiring board for a company, I would never hire anyone without instructor expierience. Have you thought about that?

serious dude? CRM? CFI?

my CFIs most of the time sit next to me, and critique how I do my manuevers. it even says SRM on most of the lessons...

the only advantage of CFI I think is the amount of knowledge they get from the students asking 'what if' and they have to look it up if they don't know it. and they always have most of the stuff in their head since they have to teach it...
 
my CFIs most of the time sit next to me, and critique how I do my manuevers. it even says SRM on most of the lessons...

My experience as a CFI led to much, much better pilot monitoring skills from watching my students so closely while still having to pay attention to the radios, traffic and general S.A. Combine that with being able to verbalize to the student what needs to be corrected, it tends to lead to better CRM.
 
I'm not a CFI (yet), but I've taught a non-pilot how to maintain altitude, how to triangulate our position using a single VOR reciever. How to read a sectional, AFD, etc. He was a great help over Kansas.

"Crew" Resource Management? How about five-planes-flying-in-formation-management?
Did that for about 150 hours.

How about whole days trying to coordinate non-stop drop times with three jump planes, all of different speeds and climb rates - from several different altitudes?

Have you ever done the "holding pattern" into AirVenture?

etc, etc, etc.

I'm not a CFI yet, I must be worthless.

TXaviator, You like airplanes. Go fly airplanes. Simple.

We're not all made the same. We're not cookie cuttered versions of each other.
 
Here is how I see it. Someone asks a question. If he is smart he'll be open to any and all advice that he may get. If someone like mikeinterweb comes along and gives him advice that doesn't make him feel all warm and fuzzy, then tell him thank you and forget about the post. But to tell mikeinterweb that he is lecturing, berating, and belittling is comedic. All of which were mentioned prior to mikeinterweb wishing him good luck.

Once again I never once told you that you have to CFI. I told you that if you don't like teaching you better stick to single-pilot flying and/or being a co-pilot your whole career as being a captain is very much a teacher/mentor position. I even had a "single-pilot" position where I had to take on SICs and let them fly slow and an inefficient manner while I sat there fully knowing I could do it better. There are three members on this board that were my SICs. Yes they put up with my BS but I would hope that each of them would tell you that I taught them alot when I was in a position that I didn't "have" to teach them anything.

The point is at sometime in this career you are most likely going to be forced into teaching and coaching someone with less experience then you. If you think you aren't going to make a good teacher, maybe you should look ahead in your career and think about if it’s for you. If you look at the responses in this thread, with rare exception those that have been there and done that and are at places where new pilots want to be, all have said go out be a CFI it will make you a better and more capable pilot. When I had 175 hours I thought I knew it all and being a CFI was the last thing I wanted to do. But it took some people to steer me in the right direction and I found CFIing to be a rewarding and great learning experience.

So if responding to a post makes you "not know about me" anymore, I'm sorry. I'm not going to sit here and blow sunshine up someone’s ass and tell them lies. Maybe the OP should look at what he is asking and see how realistic it is. He basically wants a job handed to him when he has basically no experience. When others make suggestions he frets and yells "but mommy I don't want to be a teacher". Well grasshopper go out and don't teach, let me know how that works out for you. I'll tell you right now you'll be missing out and your skills as a captain will be significantly limited.

I have absolutely no problem with anyone telling other people the way it is... I am disappointed that you posted "Good effing luck."
You never told me anything..... I never asked for any advice from you on how to get from A to B. I have a little more experience than 175TT and I know that I don't know everything... in fact I know quite little but my disagreement isn't based on what you said per se but rather how you said it. Yes... as of right now the market is quite poor for pilots who don't have 135 IFR quals... yes airline jobs are disappearing and I truly hope that no other carrier ends up shutting the doors. This does not however give anyone the right to post inflammatory comments when the OP clearly stated what he was looking for....

What ideas do you guys have for getting from 200TT to 1000TT (or 135mins) without doing the CFI gig?

And yet most people said to go CFI....

I know TX and know for a fact that he does not want a job handed to him.... can you say the same? I know what his work ethic is like and what type of personality he has.... do you anything about him beyond what he has posted?

I am sorry that I disagree with your opinions Mike... but opinions are all that you and I are posting (or should be at least). I just ask that you refrain from using language that you wouldn't use in front of your kids... it is my opinion regardless of the anonymity that these boards provide that it is unecessary and unprofessional.
 
Just stop what?

What exactly did I "start?"

Someone asks a question. . .a number of us give an answer / input.

Nothing to stop.

Or - am I suppose to not agree with someone via quoting their text and providing the :nana2: smiley?

Yeah... great example to to setting for those just starting out....

You agree with Mikes "Good effing luck" statement?

Maybe I am reading too far into these posts or maybe they weren't intended to seem the way that they read but why in the world would y'all not try to be supportive of others who are just starting out on their aviation career?
I have gone out of my way to provide others with info. that may lead to a job..... but not often have I been critical of others.
 
there was this girl in our school. she didn't wanna CFI. she did get her CFI though.... she ended up leaving and going to this place called IBC. I think she paid like 7500 for her saab 340 SIC rating, and now she flies to caribeans and stuff. her times were around 200/30 or so....

look into IBC if u wanna do something like that.

Yeah, I forgot about buying a job! Thats one way!
 
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