XJT Rejects SKW's Takeover Bid

PCL_128 said:
Again, Matt, I really think we need to talk in person before you make a judgement about me. I think you'll find that your current perception is way off the mark.
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The problem that I see is that you don't have enough time to have a beer with everyone that visits this website. Matt isn't the only one that has formed an opinion about you based on your perceived posting style, and I really think that you (among others) often do yourself a disservice because of this.

MOO*


(By the way, I can personally relate to this phenomenon. :D )








*My Opinion Only.
 
SteveC said:
The problem that I see is that you don't have enough time to have a beer with everyone that visits this website. Matt isn't the only one that has formed an opinion about you based on your perceived posting style, and I really think that you (among others) often do yourself a disservice because of this.

MOO*


(By the way, I can personally relate to this phenomenon. :D )








*My Opinion Only.
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So wait, PCL isnt even an ALPA member? Wants to use his past expereince at PCL in the union field, but doesnt want to be connected to it as an RJ operator. Remember, Less is more. His, I dont like it, but i did it attitude continues. Now denouces gulfstream after supporting it with the same intesity he does alpa. Now denounces pinnacle/RJs after using it to get to where he's at now...and now preaches alpa 24/7....My guess is if he ever goes to an ALPA carrier, he'll be talking about how airtran needs to be "dealt" with.
 
Kingairer said:
So wait, PCL isnt even an ALPA member? Wants to use his past expereince at PCL in the union field, but doesnt want to be connected to it as an RJ operator. Remember, Less is more. His, I dont like it, but i did it attitude continues. No denouces gulfstream after supporting it with the same intesity he does alpa. No denounces pinnacle/RJs after using it to get to where he's at now...and now preaches alpa 24/7....My guess is if he ever goes to an ALPA carrier, he'll be talking about how airtran needs to be "dealt" with.
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Sorry, but I don't feel the need to explain myself to someone that he feels the need to post pictures of Gulfstream pilots and refer to them as "client #2." Of all the posters on this board, you're the only one that I have zero desire to meet.
 
Sorry, but i just had to laugh after reading FLychicaga's response. Thats when i realized that Mr. ALPA, wasnt even ALPA. Carry on.
 
Kristie said:
i guess my suggestion would be that if he's not currently ALPA, he shouldn't be talking ALPA even if he has past experience....
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Wow. . .Really?

If you are going to promote that type of mentality, then we must also continue it elsewhere.

One time CFI's who are no longer CFI's shouldn't be talking about CFI even if they have the past experience.

One time 135 Freight guys who are no longer 135 Freight guys shouldn't be talking about 135 Freight even if they have the past experience.

One time regional pilots who are no longer regional pilots shouldn't be talking about regional airline issues if they have the past experience.

It seems a lot of people preach about experience and now someone who has the experience is being told to zip it.

I suppose I really wouldn't take issue to this practice if there were other members who are discussing ALPA and the benefits of the association, but they are few and far between. PCL seems to be one of the loudest perhaps, because he is one of the few that actually have the experience of an ALPA Officer. Even if he isn't currently at an ALPA represented company.
 
now, don't get me wrong.. i'm not telling him to zip it - entirely..and it is my own personal opinion, not the opinion of the website. I even said he's more than welcome to talk about his own current union since he is not currently a member of ALPA...

i'm pretty much saying that his past experience might not equate to what is happening in the here and now and with where ALPA wants to go in the future... and by relaying past experience, he's not setting up a good foothold for the young bucks to understand and get educated about the union... all they're hearing (from my perspective) is a lot of information about how ALPA operated when he was an officer and that isn't all necessarily good...not to mention that a lot of people (as forseen in previous posts in THIS thread even) aren't realizing or haven't realized that PCL *WAS* a member of ALPA but is no longer a member of ALPA since he joined a non-ALPA airline. so his talking bout ALPA a lot of the time makes him *look* to the other members like he IS officially talking *for* ALPA (because he used to be an officer) and that's really what i (again, my own personal opinion) want to distinguish and get away from....The message PCL is trying to instill is going in the wrong direction because of the perception of *who* PCL was at one point in time. His message might be better taken if nobody knew he worked for a non-ALPA carrier or if nobody knew he used to be an officer at one point in time for a regional airline, but that's not how this website works....we get personal, it's how we maintain "community". somehow we have to get past that.....but he pushes his "word" so hard on the ALPA thing that most people tend to think he's speaking *for* ALPA. do you see what i'm saying?

I'm seriously not trying to detract anyone from talking about anything....honest...my words may have been badly placed however and i apologize for that.
 
I don't agree with a lot of PCL's opinions or how he phrases things, but he does have a lot of experience in ALPA as a memeber of an MEC and on organization drives. Frankly, to say "Since he's not ALPA anymore, he shouldn't talk about it" is limiting information, and I thought that's what this web site was about. Seggy isn't ALPA either, though he tried his damndest. But, since he's not ALPA, he shouldn't talk either. Same goes for everyone at Skywest that was on the OC. All of them have some sort of experience with the organization, and to say "if you're not ALPA or you're not ALPA anymore, so your opinion and information should be kept to yourself" is going the WRONG way.

I'm not a CFI anymore and I'm not at Skymates, but does that make my past experience invalid? Kristie, maybe I read that totally wrong. If I did, clarify it for me.


Edit: Dang, stop posting when I do. :) And thanks for clarifying. I get where you're coming from now.
 
Kristie said:
but he pushes his "word" so hard on the ALPA thing that most people tend to think he's speaking *for* ALPA. do you see what i'm saying?

I'm seriously not trying to detract anyone from talking about anything....honest...my words may have been badly placed however and i apologize for that.
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First, thanks for clarifying.

Second, the bolded portion. No, I don't see what you're saying. :)

I think Todd has been pretty clear in all of his posting regarding ALPA that he is not SPEAKING for ALPA, but rather providing his input via the experience he had with the association.

Now, if TonyC was here still - and he was speaking of specific factors impacting ALPA at FedEx then I might agree with you - but Todd is not TonyC as he is no longer an Officer of the association, along with the fact that I think he has done a pretty good job and making sure people realize his opinions are HIS and not those of ALPA.
 
Anyone have a Cliff's Note version of the thread for a tired old man like myself? :) I, fo sho, thought it'd have burned itself out by the time I got back to the states.
 
Well basically your wife said that experience is worthless after your website has had "experience" issues for... well, its whole existence.

This website is funny sometimes.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Anyone have a Cliff's Note version of the thread for a tired old man like myself? :) I, fo sho, thought it'd have burned itself out by the time I got back to the states.
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I skimmed it myself..too much beer to drink to deal with all the ins and outs, but the gist of it:

-Unions are the greatest thing, but I no longer belong to the union I speak of.
-Unions are horrible, or you are too militant, and shouldn't talk so harshly about these things.
-The rest of us sick of it. I'll check back in another month and see how things are going again (when I get another reminder of how long it's been since I posted).

Good luck to all those involved in this latest debacle that is the airlines. Y'all can have it.:D
 
Stone Cold said:
I skimmed it myself..too much beer to drink to deal with all the ins and outs, but the gist of it:

-Unions are the greatest thing, but I no longer belong to the union I speak of.
-Unions are horrible, or you are too militant, and shouldn't talk so harshly about these things.
-The rest of us sick of it. I'll check back in another month and see how things are going again (when I get another reminder of how long it's been since I posted).

Good luck to all those involved in this latest debacle that is the airlines. Y'all can have it.:D
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Dude, you totally left out the whole wee-wee discussion. What's up with that? :p
 
flyguy said:
Dude, you totally left out the whole wee-wee discussion. What's up with that? :p
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I told you I didn't read the entire thing. What post did that start on? That's probably he best reading out of this entire post...:banghead:;) Apparently the big white guy thinks he's the biggest, though, unlike the stereotypes:p would dictate:D (yes, very cheesy, but lots of German beer and some wine on top of that will do it to the best of us).
 
Chris_Ford said:
Well basically your wife said that experience is worthless after your website has had "experience" issues for... well, its whole existence.

This website is funny sometimes.
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Agreed. I've seen people comment before that they find it strange that this website has so few experienced airline pilots as members, but most of the other aviation forums have tons of them. It's not really that hard to figure out why. When people who have little (or no) experience are arguing with people that have been doing this job for years, and people that have years of experience are told to shut up, it doesn't exactly make a desirable environment for experienced pilots. I made the decision to leave this forum a few months ago, but Doug and some other posters convinced me to stay. Maybe that was the wrong decision.
 
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