XJT Rejects SKW's Takeover Bid

Bumblebee said:
You're not trying to pick at me now are you?
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Of course not. I'm just getting frustrated with some of the Captains at the regionals being afraid of taking charge. If you're the Captain, then act like the Captain. If the FA is hungry, then delay the flight for lunch. If the cabin hasn't been cleaned, then delay the flight until cabin cleaners can get to it. If the airplane hasn't been catered, then delay until catering has arrived. In other words, be a frickin' Captain!
 
PCL_128 said:
Of course not. I'm just getting frustrated with some of the Captains at the regionals being afraid of taking charge. If you're the Captain, then act like the Captain. If the FA is hungry, then delay the flight for lunch. If the cabin hasn't been cleaned, then delay the flight until cabin cleaners can get to it. If the airplane hasn't been catered, then delay until catering has arrived. In other words, be a frickin' Captain!
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OK I won't take it that way . . .
 
H46Bubba said:
I agree with that, but would SkyWest go for that? Pretty much everything you said goes against what they want XJT to do with the current CBA. You guys stand your ground if this indeed comes to fruition!:)
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They would, they did it with ASA and if you read their contract any airplanes more than 4 a year that are transferred have to have the crews go with them and that’s with a CRJ operator. Xjt is an ERJ airline, and skywest doesn't even have program up for that. Look at the way Skywest has treated ASA, when the pilots at ASA acted militant jerry did what he said he would do as far as the 900s go and then when the ASA pilots got their act together and signed a competitive contract they had their entire airline transformed for the better. Heck they've even grown since the buyout!

To be brutally honest its either this or no job in 2 years for most if not all.
 
mmmm..... Koolaid. Some of you guys over there are so arrogant and think that nothing bad will ever happen to Skywest. Unions protect pilots when times get rough. When things are going great, which currently things seem to be that way for skywest there may not be an immediate need for a union but everyone is gonna be pissed when the tide changes and Skywest is losing flying and the company is doing whatever they please and you pilots have no legal course of action.
 
SoCalAprch said:
mmmm..... Koolaid. Some of you guys over there are so arrogant and think that nothing bad will ever happen to Skywest. Unions protect pilots when times get rough. When things are going great, which currently things seem to be that way for skywest there may not be an immediate need for a union but everyone is gonna be pissed when the tide changes and Skywest is losing flying and the company is doing whatever they please and you pilots have no legal course of action.
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:yeahthat:
 
This is my take, I like my company, my management team hasn't done anything to really screw me over, and I trust that they will do a good job when times start to get tough. Does that mean I will trust them enough to not have a binding contract and backing of a union? Hell No!! But I suppose Sky West is the exception and is the only airline that doesn't need a union because you have saints over there in management that would never screw the pilot group over...:sarcasm:

The golden question to you SkyWest guys is if your management is so great and they treat you so well then how come they are so against a union? Because the smart management folks over there know that if the poo hits the fan they have a free get out of jail free card and can screw you pilots any way they would like. I really want to get some of the stuff they are feeding you guys over there.
 
Bumblebee said:
This is not accurate. I don't feel anyone's boot on my neck, and I can hold the company to what's in the manual. My benefits cover my wife and me, I just asked for a golden day and it was granted, and I was even able to bid my vacation for NJC. Nearly everyone at SkyWest is happy, I feel like I wrote a lottery ticket to work here. Recently, I essentially told CS that I was going to have a driver take me and my crew from IYK to FAT (a 3 hour drive one way) and never heard peep from anyone.
I don't get why you would say the last quote above, it isn't very nice, and will not advance your argument.

Let's try to maintain civility in the face of the rough seas ahead.
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why don't you highlight the arrogant part here for me, because I don't see arrogance. I see my honest and respectful opinion.

flyguy said:
You got that right. Especially seeing as when you factor in bennefits and work rules, our compensation is very cometative. In fact, I can't think of a time when pay has ever come up in any conversation I've had in the crew room. I really wish you people would back off, stop accusing us of undercutting, and let us be happy that we are working for a well managed company who knows how to take care of its employees. Morale at this company is higher than any company in any industry I've ever seen. If they are really shafting us that much, then so be it. We are happy here. Maybe its true, money can't buy happienss. And to those who say I'm just a brainwashed Kool-Aid drinker, to them I say maybe its true ignorance is bliss.
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I don't see arrogance here either . . . take a crack at highlighting the arrogant part.
SoCalAprch said:
This is my take, I like my company, my management team hasn't done anything to really screw me over, and I trust that they will do a good job when times start to get tough. Does that mean I will trust them enough to not have a binding contract and backing of a union? Hell No!! But I suppose Sky West is the exception and is the only airline that doesn't need a union because you have saints over there in management that would never screw the pilot group over...:sarcasm:

The golden question to you SkyWest guys is if your management is so great and they treat you so well then how come they are so against a union? Because the smart management folks over there know that if the poo hits the fan they have a free get out of jail free card and can screw you pilots any way they would like. I really want to get some of the stuff they are feeding you guys over there.
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You have a way of expressing yourself here that makes you hard to stomach, but I read through it and understand that your frustrated that other peoples perception of reality does not match your own.

PCL_128 said:
No you don't. Ignorance is only bliss for a short time. Better to live in reality.
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I live in reality, and I also show way more respect to some of you than you deserve. I also realize that I am not going to agree with everyone, and that's O.K.
 
Bumblebee said:
why don't you highlight the arrogant part here for me, because I don't see arrogance. I see my honest and respectful opinion.


I don't see arrogance here either . . . take a crack at highlighting the arrogant part.

You have a way of expressing yourself that makes you come off like a jerk here, but I read through it and understand that your frustrated that other peoples perception of reality does not match your own.



I live in reality, and I also show way more respect to some of you than you deserve. I also realize that I am not going to agree with everyone, and that's O.K.
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Im sorry if I came across like a jerk. You are right in the fact that I don't understand why most of you SkyWest guys think that you are somehow immune to needing a union. Its not just people on here, I have close friends over there that I argue with all the time over this. I have one friend that said she would never goto a non-union carrier and now she is on the Bro and says that they don't need a union and that management wouldn't ever screw them over. I just want to read the same propaganda that you are and maybe I will understand why most everyone I know that has gone to SkyWest now thinks that unions aren't good for them. Thats it... I also don't want to see a strong unionized pilot group get bought out by a "anti-union zealot" as PCL would put it :):)

Being unionized not only makes your pilot group stronger and more united but it makes every pilot in the industry stronger and more united and thats why people get bent out of shape when people get on their high horses saying their company is better than unions and that they don't need them over there. Just my two cents after a few beers so take it for what it is...

And sorry if I came off like an ass...
 
And the first quote that you had, I believe #38 just sounds like you are bragging about things that alot of us get at our airlines and that somehow because of that you are above the others, the #40 quote has the statement that ignorance is bliss. That is not only arrogant but obviously ignorant as well. Ignorance will only get you so far when the poo start sliding your direction.
 
Gonzo said:
You have no real works rules. You have no real benefits.
People like you never get it.:banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Bumblebee said:
This is not accurate. I don't feel anyone's boot on my neck, and I can hold the company to what's in the manual. My benefits cover my wife and me, I just asked for a golden day and it was granted, and I was even able to bid my vacation for NJC. Nearly everyone at SkyWest is happy, I feel like I wrote a lottery ticket to work here. Recently, I essentially told CS that I was going to have a driver take me and my crew from IYK to FAT (a 3 hour drive one way) and never heard peep from anyone.
I don't get why you would say the last quote above, it isn't very nice, and will not advance your argument.

Let's try to maintain civility in the face of the rough seas ahead.
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my response to Gonzo's post . . .see?:) not bragging, just making the case that we do have work rules and bennies.
SoCalAprch said:
And the first quote that you had, I believe #38 just sounds like you are bragging about things that alot of us get at our airlines and that somehow because of that you are above the others,
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SoCalAprch said:
the #40 quote has the statement that ignorance is bliss. That is not only arrogant but obviously ignorant as well. Ignorance will only get you so far when the poo start sliding your direction.
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I don't see him saying he is above others, he says if this is ignorance, then ignorance is good. Kind of like the song, "If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right"
I do not believe that he is truly ignorant, but maybe I'm ignorant about it:D

You may notice I edited my post about sounding like a jerk. I wanted to remain respectful, but you must have seen it before I had a chance to come up with the right language.:)
 
Well whatever, I know lots of good people at Sky West and think you guys have good things going for you. I just don't see why you guys think that you don't need a union. I agree that unions aren't the end all be all for making an airline "good" but I really do believe that they make us as pilots stronger and more united and are very useful tools if not the only tool when standing up to management becomes necessary. But to each their own, however if (and I wouldn't ever want to see it) things do get bad don't be upset when lots of pilots through out the industry just say "told you so". I wish both groups the best and hope the Xjet guys don't get screwed too bad.
 
Instead of whatever it would have been great had you seen my post in context and backed off of your comment about us being arrogant [/quote]
SoCalAprch said:
Well whatever, I know lots of good people at Sky West and think you guys have good things going for you. I just don't see why you guys think that you don't need a union. I agree that unions aren't the end all be all for making an airline "good" but I really do believe that they make us as pilots stronger and more united and are very useful tools if not the only tool when standing up to management becomes necessary.
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I also agree that it is important for pilots to stick together and have organized representation . . .It would have been great had you left it there . . but . . .
SoCalAprch said:
But to each their own, however if (and I wouldn't ever want to see it) things do get bad don't be upset when lots of pilots through out the industry just say "told you so".
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OK then don't get upset when we say we say how good we have it now, right? (although we weren't bragging anyway)


By the way, I never said I didn't think we need a union . . .65% of our pilot group did. My current understanding is that our policy manual, signed by our representative group (SAPA) and management is a legally binding contract. PCL says not . . I am going to research further, and come back with a stronger understanding and position.
 
Want to try to get this one back on track, guys? I'm going to end up working for Skywest one way or another at this point, and I dunno about the rest of ya'll, but I'm trying to figure out if it's on the bottom of Skywest and at the top of a staple job, or if it'll be on the bottom of an ExpressJet/Skywest combined list after the staple job.
 
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