H46Bubba
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You'll have to wait til tomorrow between 2-3 P.M.
DAL/NWA: It's Official
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Velocipede
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I'm just hoping the DAL guys stand firm and do to NWA pilots what NWA pilots did to the Republic guys.
A ratioed SLI will be the result if it gets to arbitration. Believe it.
A ratioed SLI will be the result if it gets to arbitration. Believe it.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Come on, you know that's not reasonable. The Red Book guys are a minority at NWA now. To deliberately screw over the entire group as some sort of vendetta just against the Red Books would be wrong.
flyover
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By the same token I think your analysis of the situation is wildly off the mark. I don't buy that Delta management or the Delta pilots are maneuvering to screw the NWA guys. The agreement between DALPA and management can be the framework for the NWA pilots. There is time to get together on the SLI to avoid a war. You're a little to quick on the cynical trigger.
As for the merger. It is the first of many leading to the eventual globalization of the industry. It's OK to complain about as pilots did about the last 4 mergers Delta was involved in. But it's a little crazy to think it isn't or wasn't going to happen. If I had any kids interested in this industry I'd hope it would consolidate as soon as possible. It's the only path to a more stable industry with rational costs and revenues.
Good thread. Good luck Doug.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
It's not cynical, I simply know ALPA politics and how the system works. If the intent of DALPA was to craft a framework for the future combined list and joint contract, there were many things they could have done to get the support of the NWA pilots in that endeavor. Instead, they didn't even speak to the NWA pilots about their side deal until it was already made.
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why should that cycle of life continue? bad blood is bad blood....who would want bad blood to continue? oh wait.. you would huh? that is just so wrong, on so many levels... heck, you don't even have a dog in this fight.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
The thought of "screw the NWA guys b/c they screwed Republic" is sorta backwards thinking. It'd be like Pinnacle buying Mesa and saying "Screw 'em b/c they started Freedom." Truth is, the guys that voted on Freedom are mostly LOOOOONG gone, so we'd be punishing people that had nothing to do with the situation.
It's gonna be ugly, that's for sure. When the dust settles, I just hope the company is still standing, prosepering and (more importantly) hiring. Delta's still my #1.
It's gonna be ugly, that's for sure. When the dust settles, I just hope the company is still standing, prosepering and (more importantly) hiring. Delta's still my #1.
H46Bubba
Well-Known Member
I don't think so. I think both MEC's scewed their constituants. From what I've been hearing from several friends that are NW FO's, there are differing views between the NW pilots an their MEC. The MEC wants to stand it's ground, but a lot of the pilots just want to get a fair SLI and get on with things.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Sounds like some road shows or polling needs to get going so the MEC gets on the same page as the pilots. Having an MEC going against the wished of the pilots is just bad juju.
Velocipede
New Member
Well, Kristie, what goes around, comes around. The Delta guys have been more than reasonable up until now. The NWA guys did the initial "USAir East" grab for seniority. If they get hosed by the arbitrator, I'd look at it as some Red Book Karma coming home to roost.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
There is always disagreement between half of the membership and the MEC at NWA. Hell, half of the NWA MEC doesn't even like the other half of the MEC! Always been that way, always will be. It's divided along domicile lines a lot of the time.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I disagree.
Velocipede
New Member
Well, maybe I read it wrong, but it seems the NWA SLI proposal would have essentially stapled 2500 DAL guys to the bottom of the list while protecting "their" widebody seats.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
None of the SLI proposals from either side have been made public. My guess is that they never will be. There were several proposals made by both sides. Both sides made mistakes, both sides had faults in their SLI proposals, and both sides didn't play the political game very well. Despite the conventional wisdom, the NWA MEC is not satan incarnate, and DALPA is not the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
SoCalAprch
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Well now that they got the important stuff worked out like whether they will use NWA's World Traveler Magazine or Delta's Sky Magazine its time to get to the less important things like list integration and what hubs will remain...
SmoothLanderJ
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Well being that i'm MEM based, I sure hope it stays open......
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
MEM has something going for it. During the off push time, it looks like a friggin ghost town. It's darn near three concourses of empty gates. They've already said no hubs will be closing (for now,) and I'm a firm believer of using MEM as a reliever hub for ATL. Move some of that traffic slightly north and west, and you decrease some of the congestion in ATL.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Doubt it'd be DTW!
