Southwest vs. the FAA

This is either one of the funnest or saddest things you have ever said.

Isn't there a saying about people in glass houses.

Can we say flight 261 your company killed 88 people Southwest: None

Velo probably knows about this more than I do, but I don't believe Alaska skipped any required mx checks. My recollection is that they received approval prior to extending their mx intervals along with prior approval from Boeing for the new inspections. Big difference than what we have here.
 
Yeah, but you can use either or both combined. 99% of the time, I'll hand fly the HGS just because I've seen the autoland do weird stuff too often to have 100% confidence in it.


Just having the option doesn't increase safety, if the autoland system does something goofy at 50' in 600 rvr. I'll admit I used it a month or so ago in 600 rvr at DFW, but only because the F/O said he would be more comfortable if we used it.

Just curious..... I have heard lots of conversation regarding "anamolies" occuring during the autoland. What types of behavior have you guys experienced? Does the aircraft omit the flare? I just can't imagine what could possibly go wrong with a name like AUTOLAND?
 
Velo probably knows about this more than I do, but I don't believe Alaska skipped any required mx checks. My recollection is that they received approval prior to extending their mx intervals along with prior approval from Boeing for the new inspections. Big difference than what we have here.


They did skip checks and pencil whip some of them.

The investigation then proceeded to examine why scheduled maintenance had failed to adequately lubricate the jackscrew assembly. In interviews with the Alaska Airlines SFO mechanic who last performed the lubrication it was revealed that the task took about 1 hour, whereas the aircraft manufacturer estimated the task should take 4 hours.[6] This and other evidence suggested to the NTSB that "the SFO mechanic who was responsible for lubricating the jackscrew assembly in September 1999 did not adequately perform the task."[6] Laboratory tests indicated that the excessive wear of jackscrew assembly could not have accumulated in just the 4 months period between the September 1999 maintenance and the accident flight.[6] Therefore, the NTSB concluded that "more that just the last lubrication was missed or inadequately performed."[6]
In order to monitor wear on the jackscrew assembly a periodic maintenance inspection called an "end play check" was used. The NTSB examined why the last end play check on the accident aircraft in September 1997 did not uncover excessive wear. The investigation found that Alaska Airlines had fabricated tools to be used in the end play check that did not meet the manufacturer's requirements.[6] Testing revealed that the non-standard tools ("restraining fixtures") used by Alaska Airlines could result in inaccurate measurements, and that it was possible that if accurate measurements had been obtained at the time of the last inspection, these measurements would have indicated the excessive wear and the need for the replacement of the affected components.[6]




FAA oversight

A special inspection conducted by the FAA in April 2000 of Alaska Airlines uncovered widespread significant deficiencies that "the FAA should have uncovered earlier."[6] The investigation concluded that "FAA surveillance of Alaska Airlines had been deficient for at least several years."[6] The NTSB noted that in July 2001, an FAA panel determined that Alaska Airlines had corrected the previously identified deficiencies. However several factors led the Board to question "the depth and effectiveness of Alaska Airlines corrective actions" and "the overall adequacy of Alaska Airlines' maintenance program."[6]
Systematic problems were identified by the investigation in the FAA's oversight of maintenance programs, including inadequate staffing, its approval process of maintenance interval extensions, and the aircraft certification requirements.[6]
 
JetBlue doesn't have a union.
Sorry, I wasn't thinking about the numbers...yes, he was talking Jetblue and I was talking SWA. They do have a union, and a strong one. So, how does a pilot at a strong union shop overlook these mx requirements? Or do you not see the mx inspections coming up? Just curious...
 
Sorry, I wasn't thinking about the numbers...yes, he was talking Jetblue and I was talking SWA. They do have a union, and a strong one. So, how does a pilot at a strong union shop overlook these mx requirements? Or do you not see the mx inspections coming up? Just curious...

I have no idea what mx is required on my airplane, or when the checks are due. The only thing I'm required to check for is an airworthiness release in the previous 5 days. If that's in the book, and there are no open write-ups after it, then I'm in the clear. I'm sure the SWA guys are the same way. Some legacy pilots don't even have to look for the AR. My buddies at UAL say that there isn't even a paper logbook on the airplane. They've received approval for everything to be electronic, and mx is responsible for all of it. As pilots, we have no idea what's going on with these inspections.
 
I have no idea what mx is required on my airplane, or when the checks are due. The only thing I'm required to check for is an airworthiness release in the previous 5 days. If that's in the book, and there are no open write-ups after it, then I'm in the clear. I'm sure the SWA guys are the same way. Some legacy pilots don't even have to look for the AR. My buddies at UAL say that there isn't even a paper logbook on the airplane. They've received approval for everything to be electronic, and mx is responsible for all of it. As pilots, we have no idea what's going on with these inspections.
That's very scary...as far as the charter world, we get a printout of upcoming inspections and compare numbers with cycles or times on the airplane. So, we are on the hook, but also in the loop of mx issues. I would personally rather be on the hook for knowing what inspections are coming up, rather than blindly accepting an a/c. Once again, personal opinion...
 
The airline world is much different. :) I'm not even responsible for checking for the airworthiness certificate, FCC permit, registration, etc... It's all considered a mx function. And I want nothing to do with any of it. I have enough responsibilities as it is. I'm happy to hand off some responsibility to mx.

Also, keep in mind that mx is much more complicated in the 121 world. Lots of different inspections, checks, etc... I could end up with a list several pages long if they gave me a list of every mx check coming up.
 
The airline world is much different. :) I'm not even responsible for checking for the airworthiness certificate, FCC permit, registration, etc... It's all considered a mx function. And I want nothing to do with any of it. I have enough responsibilities as it is. I'm happy to hand off some responsibility to mx.
I'm sorry, how is that a mx function? As PIC, or even SIC, you should want to be in a legal airworthy airplane...at least in my mind, I want to be. How is this a mx issue when every student pilot knows to check for these things? Seriously, how much responsibility do you have? Check the dispatch paperwork, make sure it looks okay, sign, get your clearance, and check the numbers the ramper hands you? No wonder no corporate types want airline guys, if that's what you consider a bunch of work...:banghead:
More power to you guys and gals....I'm losing more and more respect for y'all as you and Velo post more and more...
 
I'm sorry, how is that a mx function?

Simple: my approved manuals state that it's a mx function. That's how the FAA has approved our operation.

As PIC, or even SIC, you should want to be in a legal airworthy airplane

As far as I'm concerned, if the AR is there, and there aren't any open write-ups, then I am in a legal, airworthy airplane. I'm not responsible for anything else.

How is this a mx issue when every student pilot knows to check for these things? Seriously, how much responsibility do you have? Check the dispatch paperwork, make sure it looks okay, sign, get your clearance, and check the numbers the ramper hands you? No wonder no corporate types want airline guys, if that's what you consider a bunch of work...:banghead:
More power to you guys and gals....I'm losing more and more respect for y'all as you and Velo post more and more...

You're losing respect for us because our operation has evolved to reduce our workload? Ok. :rolleyes:
 
Sorry to go back several posts, but there is a lot of discussion on SWA's taxi speeds. I can't recall any taxi mishaps involving SWA. Of course, I am not counting the overrun since I think that was a failed attempt to save a botched landing...

Have they had any reportable taxi mishaps?
 
You're losing respect for us because our operation has evolved to reduce our workload? Ok. :rolleyes:
Alright, I'll quote myself again, for the second time in my time here on JC...
I'm losing more and more respect for y'all as you and Velo post more and more...

And I'll add..it's just your posts in general...mothing more, nothing less.

Sorry to go back several posts, but there is a lot of discussion on SWA's taxi speeds. I can't recall any taxi mishaps involving SWA. Of course, I am not counting the overrun since I think that was a failed attempt to save a botched landing...

Have they had any reportable taxi mishaps?
I have not heard of any taxi incidences at SWA...that means nothing, but I have never heard of taxi incidences from them. I'm sure they're out there...heck, Airnet had them, and there was no "pressure from check airmen to taxi fast" or whatever the heck Velo posted.
 
Most taxi incidents won't get reported. Hard to track those statistics.

I might be wrong (not the first time today!) but I thought if it involved damage that it HAS to be reported to the FAA. It would take some digging, but I'm sure it's out there...I might do that when I finish studying (BOO!!!).
 
Yes, if there was damage it would be reported, but many departures from the paved surface don't involve any damage at all. It's not just about aircraft damage or collisions. When I was a rep at PCL, I had to represent two different Captains who sent their FAs flying when they slammed on their breaks on a speed demon taxi when Ground told them to hold short of a taxiway at the last minute. One FA hurt her ankle, the other just hit her head and got really pissed. Those sorts of things don't get into any government records.
 
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