Expressjet offering COLAs (voluntary furloughs) to pilots...

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XJT would still be XJT, no merge, just under a new holding company, with much more cash and better financial stability.
 
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Nick said:
As JTrain sort of pointed out, I was not referring to corporate planes like a Legacy that are the size of an RJ.

I was referring to those aircraft that ExpressJet uses to do corporate charter flights. They are literally the same airplanes that fly the XJET branded flight system. Fifty seat jets that are not subsidized that appear to be making a profit and sustaining themselves quite alright. I don't think it is comparing apples to oranges because as JTrain said, ExpressJet has pilots from the same seniority list flying planes that are used in the branded system.
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The apples and oranges Velo was referring to I, think (I can't speak for him with 100% accuracy), are:

apple: scheduled airline operation
orange: charter operation

I have no doubt that when XJT sells a charter it makes money -- nobody would charter an a/c at a loss. But 1) how much business do the charters create? 2) is XJT more of a scheduled airline or a charter service?
 
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PCL_128 said:
Why do you say that? As long as there is no downsizing as a result, it might actually improve your job security. There will have to be consolidation in the regional industry sooner rather than later. There are just too many RJ operators out there fighting for a shrinking RJ market.
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Because as it stands right now, ASA and SkyWest are operating as separate entities. I just foresee a lot of whipsaw as a result. Not to mention the fact that SkyWest is not ALPA, so I personally believe a merger of THREE lists would be an absolute mess.

I agree there are too many RJ operators out there. There is no arguing that fact. I just am not keen on participating in a merger at the regional level. Talk about a mess...
 
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SpiraMirabilis said:
The apples and oranges Velo was referring to I, think (I can't speak for him with 100% accuracy), are:

apple: scheduled airline operation
orange: charter operation

I have no doubt that when XJT sells a charter it makes money -- nobody would charter an a/c at a loss. But 1) how much business do the charters create? 2) is XJT more of a scheduled airline or a charter service?
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1) Charters vary with the seasons more than the passenger carrier service does
2) XJT is more of a scheduled airline than a charter service

I agree with most things that Velocipede says on here, but when someone bumps the font size up a bunch of sizes, changes the color to bright blue, and puts caps lock on and yells something at everyone on a forum, people are going to challenge it.

The XJT charters meet the criteria of the blue caps lock assertion yet they clearly make money.
 
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FlyChicaga said:
Because as it stands right now, ASA and SkyWest are operating as separate entities. I just foresee a lot of whipsaw as a result.
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I think the whipsaw from that situation would likely be less troublesome than the current whipsaw which is inevitably going to leave a bunch of regionals out in the cold with no flying. I'm worried that we're going to see some massive concessions in the coming years from the regional pilots if we really do hit a recession.

Not to mention the fact that SkyWest is not ALPA, so I personally believe a merger of THREE lists would be an absolute mess.
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This would actually be a good thing. Organizing Skywest has proven to be virtually impossible as an independent entity. However, combining them with either ExpressJet or ASA (or both) would be an almost certain victory. The seniority integration would be relatively painless, since all three pilot groups are very similar in demographics and years of service.
 
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777forever said:
You must have reading comprehension problems. Now go back and read where I said 70% across the whole operation, not one or two routes. If you had so many routes at 90%+ your overall load factor wouldn't be 53% would it? I think you need to look in the mirror before you start calling other people Mr. Know it all. And you've never encountered me, you just think you have





Oh really? The people that have met me seem to think otherwise...
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lets not keep this running... i already carded merit, would rather not have to dish out more for not playing nice on the Living Room floor.
 
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Nick said:
As JTrain sort of pointed out, I was not referring to corporate planes like a Legacy that are the size of an RJ.

I was referring to those aircraft that ExpressJet uses to do corporate charter flights. They are literally the same airplanes that fly the XJET branded flight system. Fifty seat jets that are not subsidized that appear to be making a profit and sustaining themselves quite alright. I don't think it is comparing apples to oranges because as JTrain said, ExpressJet has pilots from the same seniority list flying planes that are used in the branded system.
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Delta does the same thing with their charters from what i know.l
 
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Kristie said:
lets not keep this running... i already carded merit, would rather not have to dish out more for not playing nice on the Living Room floor.
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Thanks for the card. That's two in the last month or so. I am really on a roll here.
 
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Good luck to XJT. I hope it gets better for you all. I think we all should remember that this kind of thing could happen to ANY of us at ANY airline.
 
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SIUAv8r said:
Good luck to XJT. I hope it gets better for you all. I think we all should remember that this kind of thing could happen to ANY of us at ANY airline.
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Isn't that the truth.. Well, unless you work at SKYW. :sarcasm:
 
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Kristie said:
lets not keep this running... i already carded merit, would rather not have to dish out more for not playing nice on the Living Room floor.
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Thank you Kristie...these posts are getting just crazy and out of control. It seems like every other thread is nothing but an argument. For the record, the arguing is getting awfully old...kinda like APC 'round these parts.

As for not posting your name or employer...I agree that it should not be a requirement. Sure, go ahead if you want, but it is awfully easy to find out "lots" of things about people when the identify themselves. Those that matter will know who the "real" GalaxyIFE is.
 
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GalaxyIFE said:
Thank you Kristie...these posts are getting just crazy and out of control. It seems like every other thread is nothing but an argument. For the record, the arguing is getting awfully old...kinda like APC 'round these parts.

As for not posting your name or employer...I agree that it should not be a requirement. Sure, go ahead if you want, but it is awfully easy to find out "lots" of things about people when the identify themselves. Those that matter will know who the "real" GalaxyIFE is.
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:yeahthat:
 
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PCL_128 said:
The ASA and XJT contracts are very similar.
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Which is great. . .:)

But. . .XJT isn't owned by another company.

More importantly, I would also suggest anyone questioning the ability of ASA to maintain it's strength to remember that ASA is in a 15 year contract with Delta in regards to contract lift into and out of KATL, requiring that ASA operates 80% of that flying. That was a SKW Inc. idea too by the way.

So, while I am indeed worried about a whipsaw from SKW, I'm not THAT worried considering it was Skywest Inc's idea to make sure that ASA maintains 80% of the DCI flying into/out of ATL.
 
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Not to throw this thread back on track or anything <gasp!>, but my name would be first in the hat for a voluntary furlough with these terms.
 
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WAFlyBoy said:
Not to throw this thread back on track or anything <gasp!>, but my name would be first in the hat for a voluntary furlough with these terms.
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I didn't want to say anything but I would too. I know how I'd use it too - spend 3 months in a foreign country learning a new language.
 
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And in those three months in a foreign country, how are you going to pay your rent back in the states, let alone afford to be able to live somewhere else (europe? exchange rate kills you...)
 
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