lost a buddy to Jet-U

Doug Taylor said:
Fairgame question, Cherokee. Since you say you wouldn't do it again, are you saying that you wish you had taken my advice?
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Hey Doug,

This is from the 'lost a buddy to jetu' thread:

In retrospect, I don't regret the route (CRJ bridge program)... I only regret the place (Jet U). Knowing what I know now, I would have gone to CAE or ALLATPs. They have a better CRJ program.
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Kristie said:
couldn't talk him into coming onboard JC either huh?! that's too bad...
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I did... I told him to check out the big debate about jet U

I guess he didn't look

from now on, i'm gonna just say 'oh good for you' and leave it at that
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I had less than 250 hrs when I was hired into the CRJ. Only Jet U could have gotten you an interview with low time. Now, of course, I have much more; I've been off OE for a while now. It was either Jet U, or pay for Comm-single, CFI initial, CFI-I and MEI. I went with the first one. In retrospect, I don't regret the route (CRJ bridge program)... I only regret the place (Jet U). Knowing what I know now, I would have gone to CAE or ALLATPs. They have a better CRJ program.
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I flew w/ an FO today.....his second day off of IOE. He's got ~400hrs w/ 70 multi. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. He was sucking JetA fumes, more or less, from block out to block in. It's sweet being a 121 flight instructor. :) :panic:


stoki said:
:rotfl: @ Kristies avatar. :laff::laff::cwm27::rotfl:
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:yeahthat:
 
Most people complaining about these bridge programs must have forgotten that only a decade or so ago, regionals required pilots to pay for ALL of their training and hotels. Once you finally started flying something, they'd stick you in a double occupancy hotel. Pilots in Europe and Asia (and Southwest) are still frequently required to pay for their type ratings before starting training. This concept is nothing new, and as much as people think these guys can't fly, this stuff has been happening for years. Plenty of GIA guys are captains now or flying for majors. The world hasn't ended.

Of course JetU and GIA suck, and are a waste of money. But lets not pretend that these programs don't work, or the pilots are losers just because they decided to take a different route.
 
av8sean,

And you know what that was/is called?

PFT. Pay For Training.

It was wrong then, wrong now, and will be wrong in the future.

These pilots that run off to JetU, GIA, and any "Jet course" are all part of the minority that are showing the airlines that some schmucks will pay for additional training - when the damn airline itself will end up PAYING YOU, PAYING FOR YOUR ROOM, while you attend training at their company.

The pilots are not losers, you're right. They are ignorant, and lack any professional pride and are devaluing the profession that I am a part of.
 
Cruise said:
I flew w/ an FO today.....his second day off of IOE. He's got ~400hrs w/ 70 multi. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. He was sucking JetA fumes, more or less, from block out to block in. It's sweet being a 121 flight instructor. :) :panic:
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In his defense, I was "sucking JetA fumes" as you so eloquently put it for my first couple of trips off IOE as well. And I had over 4000 hrs, 90% of which was turbine time, about 70% was PIC time, and about 40% was instructor time.

Now, the real test is where this guy stands in a couple of months after he gets his "sea legs." (Is there a flying equivalent to that phrase?)
 
Fly4Pay said:
In his defense, I was "sucking JetA fumes" as you so eloquently put it for my first couple of trips off IOE as well. And I had over 4000 hrs, 90% of which was turbine time, about 70% was PIC time, and about 40% was instructor time.

Now, the real test is where this guy stands in a couple of months after he gets his "sea legs." (Is there a flying equivalent to that phrase?)
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Fair enough. :)


With a few basic exceptions. Things like:

you were probably able to get clearances on your own
you were probably able to talk on the radio properly once airborne
you were probably able to navigate without much intervention



Of course a brand new seat/ job is going to have you behind the '8-ball' as it were for some time. I completely understand that....and expect it! Furthermore, I actually enjoy showing newer FO's tricks of the trade, as it were, to make them better. However, basic airmanship and similar things shouldn't need to be covered. At this stage of the game, you're a professional.....therefore, it's expected you know how to operate in the environment. Dunno, think I'm missing something here?
 
Pietrantonio said:
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I had less than 250 hrs when I was hired into the CRJ. quote]

How is this possible? I thought you need to have a Commercial license to fly for hire...which requires 250 hours of flight time to even get the license. Am I right, or just missing something somewhere?
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Flight training under Part 141 requires merely 190 hours for a commercial ticket. Perhaps that's how it was possible.
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av8sean said:
Most people complaining about these bridge programs must have forgotten that only a decade or so ago, regionals required pilots to pay for ALL of their training and hotels. Once you finally started flying something, they'd stick you in a double occupancy hotel. Pilots in Europe and Asia (and Southwest) are still frequently required to pay for their type ratings before starting training. This concept is nothing new, and as much as people think these guys can't fly, this stuff has been happening for years. Plenty of GIA guys are captains now or flying for majors. The world hasn't ended.

Of course JetU and GIA suck, and are a waste of money. But lets not pretend that these programs don't work, or the pilots are losers just because they decided to take a different route.
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How many PFTers have YOU trained and signed off?

It's not as elegant as you might imagine.
 
Why are people still going to these programs? All you hear about is Piedmont, ASA, etc taking people with low hours, is this not true or do these people just think they need a program like this to pass initial training?

The pay is much better at Piedmont than Pinnacle so obviously they are not looking at that. The upgrade is probably quicker at Pinnacle but are people really willing to pay 30k to not fly a t-prop and upgrade quicker?:confused:
 
"Quick upgrade" doesn't mean squat when you're that low time. You still need to meet company mins to upgrade, and because of that you'll be sitting in the right seat longer than most trying to simply get to 2,500 hours or whatever the magic number is there now.
 
av8sean said:
Most people complaining about these bridge programs must have forgotten that only a decade or so ago, regionals required pilots to pay for ALL of their training and hotels.
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Some but by all means not all, plus the economics were different.

Lots of folks looking for a sparse few jobs back in the day.

Now there are lots of airlines looking for pilots in a very thin pool of willing pilots.

Compleeeeetely different than it was a decade ago. I was there! :)
 
jtrain609 said:
How many PFTers have YOU trained and signed off?

It's not as elegant as you might imagine.
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I wasn't a checkairman (too much paperwork for my taste), but I flew with tons of brand new copilots at Pinnacle just off of OE that came from JetU, RAA, CAPT, etc... They did just as well as every other guy that came from flight instructing, flying freight, or whatever other "traditional" career paths. Some were great, some were horrible, and lots in between. No different than any other new guys.
 
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