captainphil
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for those of you that fly it.
What's it like to fly the CRJ?
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Piperflyer
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Nothing like a Cessna
moxiepilot
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its exactly like a cessna.
sorry - had to do it.
sorry - had to do it.
captainphil
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anything like the piper warrior? HA!
Van_Hoolio
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According to a friend of mine (banned from this forum many times) who quit an ERJ job and flies the CRJ-200 now, it's a piece of crap. I guess it's a lot more work performs like a CAL gate agent, but still fun to fly nonetheless once you get the hang of it..
Long story short, the people you work with are more important than the airframe.
Long story short, the people you work with are more important than the airframe.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
It's fast..esp if you're coming from any sort of prop. It's a nicely designed cockpit, with the 700 and 900 being a bit more refined. The glass will spoil you, but there's enough stuff that isn't automatic to keep you're head in the game.
It is a great jet aircraft for beginners, in my opinion (except for the landing performance- it is very fast down final, especially the 200). The descent planning isn't very difficult and it slows down quite easily compared to the larger jet aircraft I've flown. Once you learn it, you can hit the marker at 250 knots and easily be smoothly stabilized by 500 feet.
I flew 3000 hours in the plane and really loved it.
It is a great jet aircraft for beginners, in my opinion (except for the landing performance- it is very fast down final, especially the 200). The descent planning isn't very difficult and it slows down quite easily compared to the larger jet aircraft I've flown. Once you learn it, you can hit the marker at 250 knots and easily be smoothly stabilized by 500 feet.
I flew 3000 hours in the plane and really loved it.
Piperflyer
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no not even like a Seminole
Is that how he said CRJs compare to ERJs? Ive always wondered....
Is that how he said CRJs compare to ERJs? Ive always wondered....
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
I have around 1500 hours in the CRJ. It flies unlike any other jet aircraft i've ever flown. It is important to remember that the CRJ was never designed to be an airliner. As a result, it doesn't do "airliner" very well.
It is extraordinarily under-powered.
The autopilot does not integrate well with the aircraft. As a result, you get dramatic yoke-movement with every configuration change ...and you could chip a tooth on the darned thing when it intercepts the glideslope.
Aircraft pitch attitude on final is surreal. It is extremely low so the transition from the approach pitch attitude to the flare pitch attitude is dramatic. As a result it almost always is landed fast and nose-low.
The cockpit was designed for kids from Comair academy with very low relative experience to safely operate it. So it's very simple from a systems perspective.
The cockpit is extremely noisy -- moreso than any other jet i've ever flown (DC9, 737, Learjet).
That's about all I remember about the thing. You might be able to tell I wasn't real impressed with it. But I suppose if it was my "first" jet, I might have viewed it a little more fondly. I think you'll find that folks who come out of Seminoles and right into the CRJ love it. Folks who have experience in other jet aircraft look at it a little more critically.
It is extraordinarily under-powered.
The autopilot does not integrate well with the aircraft. As a result, you get dramatic yoke-movement with every configuration change ...and you could chip a tooth on the darned thing when it intercepts the glideslope.
Aircraft pitch attitude on final is surreal. It is extremely low so the transition from the approach pitch attitude to the flare pitch attitude is dramatic. As a result it almost always is landed fast and nose-low.
The cockpit was designed for kids from Comair academy with very low relative experience to safely operate it. So it's very simple from a systems perspective.
The cockpit is extremely noisy -- moreso than any other jet i've ever flown (DC9, 737, Learjet).
That's about all I remember about the thing. You might be able to tell I wasn't real impressed with it. But I suppose if it was my "first" jet, I might have viewed it a little more fondly. I think you'll find that folks who come out of Seminoles and right into the CRJ love it. Folks who have experience in other jet aircraft look at it a little more critically.
RightSeatGirl
KA'PLAH BITCHES!
Start engine...green button
Throttle up...big fat levers...push forward
Positive rate...gear up autopilot on
Throttles back....big fat levers...pull back
5 Mile final...gear down
200 ft...autopilot off
Land...usually hard
Shut down...red button
End of flight..Where the flying part comes in...I'm still not sure...
@ all you Replacement Jet guys:
Throttle up...big fat levers...push forward
Positive rate...gear up autopilot on
Throttles back....big fat levers...pull back
5 Mile final...gear down
200 ft...autopilot off
Land...usually hard
Shut down...red button
End of flight..Where the flying part comes in...I'm still not sure...
@ all you Replacement Jet guys:
SIUAv8r
RJ Commander
Start engine...green button
Throttle up...big fat levers...push forward
Positive rate...gear up autopilot on
Throttles back....big fat levers...pull back
5 Mile final...gear down
200 ft...autopilot off
Land...usually hard
Shut down...red button
End of flight..Where the flying part comes in...I'm still not sure...
@ all you Replacement Jet guys:
What type of A/C do you fly?
RightSeatGirl
KA'PLAH BITCHES!
I fly the mighty Smash Eight!!!
It goes like this
Start engine...green button
Throttle up...big fat levers...push forward
Positive rate...gear up autopilot doesn't work
Throttles back....big fat levers...pull back
5 Mile final...prey the gear comes down
1000 ft..." Comair or Acey or Blue Streak etc..., reduce speed as much as practical..Dash Eight on a 100 mile final!
Land...always hard hard
Shut down...red button...hope nothing explodes
Too busy with systems to even remember how to fly!
It goes like this
Start engine...green button
Throttle up...big fat levers...push forward
Positive rate...gear up autopilot doesn't work
Throttles back....big fat levers...pull back
5 Mile final...prey the gear comes down
1000 ft..." Comair or Acey or Blue Streak etc..., reduce speed as much as practical..Dash Eight on a 100 mile final!
Land...always hard hard
Shut down...red button...hope nothing explodes
Too busy with systems to even remember how to fly!
SIUAv8r
RJ Commander
Sounds like fun:nana2:
ZWflyer
Well-Known Member
I'm part of the group where the CRJ is my first jet, so naturally I really enjoy flying it. Could it be better in a lot of ways...you bet. It is really underpowered when climbing at higher altitudes, but down low it really isn't that bad. The landing attitude is pretty strange at first, but like anything else you get used to it.
One more thing....please don't leave the autopilot on until 200' AGL. That darn thing will make you feel like you're on a see-saw if you do. Besides, flying with the autopilot on all the time gets old REAL quick.
One more thing....please don't leave the autopilot on until 200' AGL. That darn thing will make you feel like you're on a see-saw if you do. Besides, flying with the autopilot on all the time gets old REAL quick.
inside0ut
Well-Known Member
First jet was the 200, now I fly the E175. Big difference between the two.
I loved the CRJ, it was soooo easy to do 250 to the marker, turn the pumps on, drop the gear, pull the brakes and have it on speed, on glideslope, configured about 2 seconds later. The 175? Not so much.
The 200 did have a autopilot that would break your teeth tho. On a turbulent or gusty day with the AP on you would get smacked. Thank god they changed that in the 7 and 9.
I loved the CRJ, it was soooo easy to do 250 to the marker, turn the pumps on, drop the gear, pull the brakes and have it on speed, on glideslope, configured about 2 seconds later. The 175? Not so much.
The 200 did have a autopilot that would break your teeth tho. On a turbulent or gusty day with the AP on you would get smacked. Thank god they changed that in the 7 and 9.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Hurumph... I remember when the Dash 8 pilots were the elder statesmen of commuters. While the rest of us toiled all day in Shorts, Jetstreams, Metros, and Beech 1900s the Dash pilots would ride along in their elegent machines with APUs and autopilots.
We would huddle in the relative warmth of the crew-lounge in the E-gates...but not the Dash pilots. They would sip tea and eat cucumber sandwiches in their temperature controlled turbine-powered Cadillacs.
On the ops frequency we would often hear them calling for new crew meals because theirs was missing mustard (probably that Grey Poupon).
On days when we deiced, they would simply shut down both engines and allow the APU to continue to provide them with light and heat. The rest of us poor, unwashed, masses would begin a complex dance -- shutting down one engine while they deiced that side, then restarting that engine and shutting down the opposite engine to allow them to deice that side. Woe be to the pilot who shut down both engines only to find he needed a GPU to start up again in the pad.
But the winters weren't bad. In the summer the Dash pilots would sit comfortably in their APU cooled cockpit while sipping a cool beverage provided by their flight attendants. We, on the other hand, would have to sneak aboard empty Saab's or Shorts to steal a cup of ice and perhaps a bag of pretzels as if we were starving raccoons or squirrels hiding away food for the winter.
I swear I saw a Dash 8 pilot laughing and pointing at me as I spun the props on a J-31 after shut-down.
And now Right Seat Girl waxes poetic about the trials of her life aboard a mere turboprop? HA! Don't let her fool you. She flies the Rolls Royce of turboprops with her comfortable cockpit (including secure door ...not a curtain to be found!).
Don't even get me started on RJ pilots... Why when I worked for the commuters we used to have to walk uphill to get to the airplane...both ways...in the snow...carrying an entire North American Volume of Jepps...and had to do revisions between Johnstown and Pittsburgh!
You're all a bunch of spoiled wieners.
We would huddle in the relative warmth of the crew-lounge in the E-gates...but not the Dash pilots. They would sip tea and eat cucumber sandwiches in their temperature controlled turbine-powered Cadillacs.
On the ops frequency we would often hear them calling for new crew meals because theirs was missing mustard (probably that Grey Poupon).
On days when we deiced, they would simply shut down both engines and allow the APU to continue to provide them with light and heat. The rest of us poor, unwashed, masses would begin a complex dance -- shutting down one engine while they deiced that side, then restarting that engine and shutting down the opposite engine to allow them to deice that side. Woe be to the pilot who shut down both engines only to find he needed a GPU to start up again in the pad.
But the winters weren't bad. In the summer the Dash pilots would sit comfortably in their APU cooled cockpit while sipping a cool beverage provided by their flight attendants. We, on the other hand, would have to sneak aboard empty Saab's or Shorts to steal a cup of ice and perhaps a bag of pretzels as if we were starving raccoons or squirrels hiding away food for the winter.
I swear I saw a Dash 8 pilot laughing and pointing at me as I spun the props on a J-31 after shut-down.
And now Right Seat Girl waxes poetic about the trials of her life aboard a mere turboprop? HA! Don't let her fool you. She flies the Rolls Royce of turboprops with her comfortable cockpit (including secure door ...not a curtain to be found!).
Don't even get me started on RJ pilots... Why when I worked for the commuters we used to have to walk uphill to get to the airplane...both ways...in the snow...carrying an entire North American Volume of Jepps...and had to do revisions between Johnstown and Pittsburgh!
You're all a bunch of spoiled wieners.
caliginousface
Frank N. Beans
Hurumph... I remember when the Dash 8 pilots were the elder statesmen of commuters. While the rest of us toiled all day in Shorts, Jetstreams, Metros, and Beech 1900s the Dash pilots would ride along in their elegent machines with APUs and autopilots.
We would huddle in the relative warmth of the crew-lounge in the E-gates...but not the Dash pilots. They would sip tea and eat cucumber sandwiches in their temperature controlled turbine-powered Cadillacs.
On the ops frequency we would often hear them calling for new crew meals because theirs was missing mustard (probably that Grey Poupon).
On days when we deiced, they would simply shut down both engines and allow the APU to continue to provide them with light and heat. The rest of us poor, unwashed, masses would begin a complex dance -- shutting down one engine while they deiced that side, then restarting that engine and shutting down the opposite engine to allow them to deice that side. Woe be to the pilot who shut down both engines only to find he needed a GPU to start up again in the pad.
But the winters weren't bad. In the summer the Dash pilots would sit comfortably in their APU cooled cockpit while sipping a cool beverage provided by their flight attendants. We, on the other hand, would have to sneak aboard empty Saab's or Shorts to steal a cup of ice and perhaps a bag of pretzels as if we were starving raccoons or squirrels hiding away food for the winter.
I swear I saw a Dash 8 pilot laughing and pointing at me as I spun the props on a J-31 after shut-down.
And now Right Seat Girl waxes poetic about the trials of her life aboard a mere turboprop? HA! Don't let her fool you. She flies the Rolls Royce of turboprops with her comfortable cockpit (including secure door ...not a curtain to be found!).
Don't even get me started on RJ pilots... Why when I worked for the commuters we used to have to walk uphill to get to the airplane...both ways...in the snow...carrying an entire North American Volume of Jepps...and had to do revisions between Johnstown and Pittsburgh!
You're all a bunch of spoiled wieners.
LoadMasterC141
Well-Known Member
Hurumph... I remember when the Dash 8 pilots were the elder statesmen of commuters. While the rest of us toiled all day in Shorts, Jetstreams, Metros, and Beech 1900s the Dash pilots would ride along in their elegent machines with APUs and autopilots.
We would huddle in the relative warmth of the crew-lounge in the E-gates...but not the Dash pilots. They would sip tea and eat cucumber sandwiches in their temperature controlled turbine-powered Cadillacs.
On the ops frequency we would often hear them calling for new crew meals because theirs was missing mustard (probably that Grey Poupon).
On days when we deiced, they would simply shut down both engines and allow the APU to continue to provide them with light and heat. The rest of us poor, unwashed, masses would begin a complex dance -- shutting down one engine while they deiced that side, then restarting that engine and shutting down the opposite engine to allow them to deice that side. Woe be to the pilot who shut down both engines only to find he needed a GPU to start up again in the pad.
But the winters weren't bad. In the summer the Dash pilots would sit comfortably in their APU cooled cockpit while sipping a cool beverage provided by their flight attendants. We, on the other hand, would have to sneak aboard empty Saab's or Shorts to steal a cup of ice and perhaps a bag of pretzels as if we were starving raccoons or squirrels hiding away food for the winter.
I swear I saw a Dash 8 pilot laughing and pointing at me as I spun the props on a J-31 after shut-down.
And now Right Seat Girl waxes poetic about the trials of her life aboard a mere turboprop? HA! Don't let her fool you. She flies the Rolls Royce of turboprops with her comfortable cockpit (including secure door ...not a curtain to be found!).
Don't even get me started on RJ pilots... Why when I worked for the commuters we used to have to walk uphill to get to the airplane...both ways...in the snow...carrying an entire North American Volume of Jepps...and had to do revisions between Johnstown and Pittsburgh!
You're all a bunch of spoiled wieners.
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Good Stuff Zap sir!
desertdog71
Girthy Member
vee-one....rotate....autopilot engaged....."Wheres that sportspage?" 
vee-one....rotate....autopilot engaged....."Wheres that sportspage?"
Oh geez.
Fly the damned airplane, ladies!
Because when the autopilot's on MCO, and it's your leg, STFU because your leg is your leg and you'd better bring your a-game.
flyguy
Well-Known Member
Although it is true the 200 is an underpowered piece of crap, the 700 can almost be called a jet. I really like flying the 70, but because that's mainly what I fly I kinda get spoiled by it. Now on the rare occasion when they call me for a turn in the 50, I scare the hell out of my captains when I over-flare it, and I can never remember how to swap the bleeds, and sometimes on takeoff I lose my train of thought when I set takeoff thrust and there's no detent (I have to acually set it? Whoops there goes V1). Can someone remind me what those switches under the thrust lever quadrant do? :crazy:
Note: I'm not really that incompetent in the 200, but sometimes I feel like it.
Note: I'm not really that incompetent in the 200, but sometimes I feel like it.