121 flying.. Do you listen to music?

Right on PCL_128...I am not going to be the iPOD nazi, but as soon as they start missing calls, it is done with.

Reading never hurt, if any pilot here says they don't read a mag or some sort or do Jepps doing cruise they are flat out lying. 3 hour legs? Yeah I am going to chat the entire time and then look out the window in silence :sarcasm:
 
We used to tune the ADF to music stations at altitude (flying the 1900 around FL) but it would go off below 10k, sterile cockpit. I don't see anything wrong with that.

The worst thing I did (and this is probably bad) was keep listening to a football game as we were doing the approach in to LaGarbage one Sunday. I told the FO to handle it and he did a fine job, but I felt pretty bad after. I finally turned the thing off as we passed the outer marker. It was a sunny day but I realized I was being derelict of duty - to Rob Lee, my favorite liberal FO, a big "I'm Sorry!!!!!"
 
You guys are all too funny. Never even came close to missing, or even misunderstanding any radio calls while listening to music. I put earbuds inside the headphones so that I dont get a stupid intercomm that intrupts everytime someone says something.
 
There are obvious differences in what individual pilots choose to do in their own cockpits. If individuals choose not to have music introduced into their work environment why is it that some here choose to take issue with that? I accept that some think it is OK to wear ipods on the flight deck, and respect that decision, although I do not agree with it. I do not resort to juvenile disrespect because my opinion differs with some. Reading in the cockpit is another issue than listening to music and can support a debate on it's own merits.

The question was: Do you listen to music? Answer if you choose, but don't attack others who may be on the other side of the issue than you.
Let's keep it civil and professional.
 
Brand X said:
Would you listen to your ipod during a line check or when a fed is riding up front with you?
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Would you whip out the USA Today?
Would you listen to the ADF?
Would you update your Jepps?
Would you eat your dinner?
Would you...
Would you...
Would you...
 
You all will label me as a "geek"...but on the long flights I read my flight manuals. As far as I'm concerned it is pertinent and related to safety of the flight. Personally, I require a lot of recurrent study to stay sharp. Just counting company manuals I'm responsible for, not counting the AIM, etc...it numbers in the thousands of pages. I would just assume do it at work than at home.

FWIW, just staring out the window, un-engaged, is about as bad as reading or listening to music. Somehow, as a professional, you need to fight through fatigue and boredom andkeep yourself engaged and ahead of the flight.

I'm a big fan of doing things by the book. Stepping outside defined boundaries, in my experience, leads to bad things. A rigid flight deck is not desirable IMO. However, one that is too relaxed leads to complacency...and we know where that leads. I prefer a casual, yet businesslike flight deck.

Many times during your career you will probably be sneered at for doing your job in a professional manner. But, hey...I can live with that. It beats having your accumulated fortunes drained in a malfeasance and manslaughter lawsuit brought on by those you have harmed or potentially harmed.

In the present time in this industry, given the scope of attention it attracts, I think it's best to keep your actions in bounds.
 
Brand X said:
Would you listen to your ipod during a line check or when a fed is riding up front with you?
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I probably wouldn't brief an approach by saying "21 left, same as the last 3 times today, any questions?" either if a fed was up front, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give a full brief 3 times a day for the same approach under normal circumstances.

BTW, I have read a USA Today during OE before. The Checkairman didn't seem to mind. He was "reading" a Maxim...
 
No, I don't listen to music on the flight deck. There is no way that I would let any other pilot on the flight deck do it either. At my company it would be instant termination if caught. Beyond that point, it's unprofessional. The question here is really this:, "do you want to be a professional pilot or do you just want to be an airplane driver?" There is a big difference between the two. Ask guys like Barry Schiff and Dave Gwinn if they ever listened to an IPOD/Walkman on the flight deck.


Typhoonpilot
 
calcapt said:
Let's keep it civil and professional.
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No doubt.

It largely depends on the culture of the airline. I know if I pulled out an iPod at Southernjets on a flight from SLC to SEA, 99% of the captains would lose their minds.

I think I would too.

Accidents happen, usually when we're not expecting it and if I survived, I'd hate to be sitting in front of the safety board doing the carpet dance trying to explain to the investigators how I thought Mc Hammer blaring in the background wasn't a factor when we shut the wrong engine down.

Minimize exposure folks. Trust me, sh-- happens. I know!
 
B767Driver said:
You all will label me as a "geek"...but on the long flights I read my flight manuals. As far as I'm concerned it is pertinent and related to safety of the flight. Personally, I require a lot of recurrent study to stay sharp. Just counting company manuals I'm responsible for, not counting the AIM, etc...it numbers in the thousands of pages. I would just assume do it at work than at home.

FWIW, just staring out the window, un-engaged, is about as bad as reading or listening to music. Somehow, as a professional, you need to fight through fatigue and boredom andkeep yourself engaged and ahead of the flight.

I'm a big fan of doing things by the book. Stepping outside defined boundaries, in my experience, leads to bad things. A rigid flight deck is not desirable IMO. However, one that is too relaxed leads to complacency...and we know where that leads. I prefer a casual, yet businesslike flight deck.

Many times during your career you will probably be sneered at for doing your job in a professional manner. But, hey...I can live with that. It beats having your accumulated fortunes drained in a malfeasance and manslaughter lawsuit brought on by those you have harmed or potentially harmed.

In the present time in this industry, given the scope of attention it attracts, I think it's best to keep your actions in bounds.
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Definite geek

LOL
 
B767Driver makes geek look fabulous. When you do it right, you sleep like a baby and never have to worry about line checks or voicemails from the chief pilot! :)
 
My company condones them as long as they are only used above 10,000 ft. Individual captains still have the option to prohibit them if they desire.


Of course, in Alaska, about *every* flight is a "sit for 30 minutes or more with no radio calls for you" flight. Heck, I've gone on legs of 1.5 or 2 hours with center telling me on initial contact "abeam xxx monitor 133.5, then 120.9 for lower." On those flights you can expect to go an hour or so without hearing a single transmission, let alone one for you.


I will not use one if I can talk to the captain, but I bring one with me because some of the captains bring theirs and don't want to talk all day. I never use it if I'm actively having to actually talk to ATC, if we are any way busy, or ever below 10,000 regardless of how quiet, even if we are en route that low. I also make music much quieter than the intercom and ATC using an earbud setup. I haven't actually used mine within the past month that I can remember.


Our ops specs call for the cockpit doors (the shutters on the 1900) to be left open at all times unless we deem it neccessary to close them (IE reading lights at night etc), so anything we do is in front of the pax. We carry a fair number of feds around in an unofficial capacity (just traveling), but on an actual en route I wouldn't plan on using mine. That said, I wouldn't eat lunch either, which is also specifically allowed.


I would also have second thoughts about plugging an ipod into the intercom. Between subjecting the other crewmember to your taste of music and getting music on the tape. Allowed or not, I still wouldn't particularly want my music on a CVR.
 
Baradium said:
...Allowed or not, I still wouldn't particularly want my music on a CVR.
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Are you concerned that the the accident investigators will discover you listen to The Backstreet Boys, Barbra Streisand and Vanilla Ice? :laff:

And when the NTSB publishes it's final report, the whole world will know your dirty little secret.:o
 
Yeh, music on a CVR would make your CVR recording something to read about.. It'd be bad ju-ju..
 
I don't listen to music in the cockpit, and I don't read in the cockpit. I find myself getting distracted from the task at hand, so therefore I don't do it. I have read in the cockpit, and I tried the iPod thing twice. I didn't like it at all.

Honestly, I don't know if it's the fact that I am not reading, or the fact that we just have great conversations and have fun on our trips, but it's not often that any of my FOs will read. Who knows what my FOs say about me behind my back. I am quite by-the-book in my approach to flying... there is a large difference between being by-the-book and being overzealous. Against popular belief, you actually can do this job the way it is supposed to be done and have loads of fun! It doesn't have to be one or the other, although many people feel that way it seems.
 
Personally I don't think that it is that big of a deal. At cruise for a long time in an area where ATC isn't that busy shouldn't be a problem. I do not at all agree with plugging it into the intercom.
At my company we are specifically not allowed to do it so we don't.
 
Just out of curiousity, are these opinions limited to the Pt 121 world or do they also extend to Pt 91 bug smashing?

Said another way, would some consider it bad form for me to bring an iPod along on a solo 25 hour time building jaunt all over the State of Alaska?
 
Well, the title of the thread was '121 flying.. Do you listen to music?' ;)
 
I've tried the ipod thing but the planes I've flown are loud enough. My ear actually started to hurt. I'm too paranoid about my hearing to put more noise into the cockpit.
 
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