Newest ASA Minimums: 500/50 or 400/50

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Minimum Requirements:
500 hours total time*
50 hours multi-engine time
Recency of flight experience will be considered
Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
Vision corrected to 20/20
Well groomed and able to maintain a professional appearance
FCC radio license
ATP Written preferred
Successfully pass a drug screen analysis
Legally authorized to work in the United States and have a valid passport
Undergo a criminal history records check through an FBI based fingerprint system
Extensive background and reference check
College preferred, minimum high school diploma or GED
* The above listed times are minimums. Most applicants hired have more flight time.

Reduced Minimums for a select few with Advanced Jet Training:
400 hours total time
50 hours multi-engine time
Advanced Jet Training includes:
Level C/D Jet Simulator
Level 5/6 Jet FTD
FMS Training
Glass Cockpit
Crew Resource Management (CRM) Training
Accelerated Jet Ground School

Licenses:
Commercial
Instrument

Multi-engine (not restricted to centerline thrust)
CFI, CFII, MEI and ATP preferred


http://www.flyasa.com/careers/pilot.php
 
They had to lower the mins because Rausda left. :D

Well ASA had to one up ...erm one down...Mesaba.

500/50....A new low for the professional pilot.
 
* The above listed times are minimums. Most applicants hired have more flight time.

Why even bother then? Just keep the minimums higher.

I figure they are dropping them again, in a way to build up their hiring pool later this year and into early next year. Makes sense in a way.
 
You could say that. . . lol

Except, Delta actually canned SKW out of LA . . . since you know, SKW owns ASA, so anything that happens to ASA is directly SKW's fault.
 
Thousands of experienced pilots are working at Lowe's, Home Depot, and Remax, so that thousands of zero experienced pilots can fly in ice, snow, thunderstorms, etc, etc.

I'd have to say it's not the fault of the pilots. Be it mainline or newbie, we're all looking to land a good job with a good future. Who really is to blame? Perhaps the upper brass who make all the decisions? Will they blame the shareholders, who pressure them into a good ROI? Will they blame the general public for "refusing" to pay a fair rate for a ticket?
 
Trouble is though, the public isn't refusing because the airlines haven't given them an opportunity to refuse to pay a fair price.
 
Uh. . . now that's a good question. And one that only SKW management can answer by finishing ASA's long awaited contract.

I'm just waiting for SKW to fire a good deal of ASA manegement to instill their own pawns that can drive the airline right into the ground - allowing SKW to take over all the flying under their non-union banner. No :sarcasm: either.
 
I wouldn't even trust myself to fly around in a light twin with 500/50 in bad weather night and day, let alone a jet/tprop. Very interesting things are in the US.

OneNineHundy
 
Bog said:
Thousands of experienced pilots are working at Lowe's, Home Depot, and Remax, so that thousands of zero experienced pilots can fly in ice, snow, thunderstorms, etc, etc.

I'd have to say it's not the fault of the pilots. Be it mainline or newbie, we're all looking to land a good job with a good future. Who really is to blame? Perhaps the upper brass who make all the decisions? Will they blame the shareholders, who pressure them into a good ROI? Will they blame the general public for "refusing" to pay a fair rate for a ticket?
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Bog, you're my new best friend. Well said.
 
Oh yeah.. its a joke by the way that you only need 50 ME hours to fly a jet. Wonder if there will be a MEI shortage. Nobody will need to get it anymore to build multi time.
 
I'm not sticking up for ASA or saying that low time pilot deserve spots in right seats...

It's hard to place blame. ASA has to fill spots. Simple as that. It's going to come to a point where minimums CANT go lower and the only way to get applications are to raise pay.

It's not good criticize low time pilots, our own Seggy was hired into turboprop at 585TT, and I haven't seen anyone complain about him yet. That leads me to believe that lower time pilots can do just fine.
 
SmitteyB said:
It's not good criticize low time pilots, our own Seggy was hired into turboprop at 585TT, and I haven't seen anyone complain about him yet. That leads me to believe that lower time pilots can do just fine.
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And there is a fairly active member that was hired into a bigger prop than Seggy with much less that 585TT.

Raise pay outside of a CBA and Section 6 negotiations. YGTBSM. I want some of that stuff too. That will NEVER happen until airlines see their employees as an asset rather than a variable cost and a box to be filled. Which means it will never happen.
 
Eventually the airlines will have no choice but to see their flight crews, and honestly - all employees, as assets. But especially with flight crews (pilots & FAs). The minimums can not get much lower - and like Smitty said - benefits and pay will have to be adjusted if they truely want bodies in the seats. These guys still have to get through training, and IOE - only time will tell.
 
meritflyer said:
Oh yeah.. its a joke by the way that you only need 50 ME hours to fly a jet. Wonder if there will be a MEI shortage. Nobody will need to get it anymore to build multi time.
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Seriously though, will a single engine CRJ or ERJ roll you over in the event of an engine failure? I am sure it pulls, but I doubt it is as dangerous as a Baron or something of that nature. I mean, the thrust is right there pretty close to the center line of the aircraft in most of those RJs. Do jets even have critical engines?

I can see Tprop operators wanting more multi time but for the jet carriers I would think knowing all about Vmc and critical engines aren't quite as important. The design of the Saab340 looks like it wold be a handful. Even the 1900s and the Bros have T-tails.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, just wondering if my thoughts are possibly correct?
 
OldTown,
I agree...and it wont be before we get there, but I believe it will go up. It has to. The airlines are getting so desperate. People think these minimums will be around forever.

IMO, they wont. Give it 2-3 years they'll be 1200/200.

Heck guys, two years ago Gulfstream, Mesa, etc were all around, airlines were in the crapper, and Colgan was 1200/100.

The airlines are going to have to do something to try and get pilots to want to come so they can fill their seats. IE: Republic offering $2500 to pilots who basically leave their job and go to work for them with ERJ/CRJ training...that (to me) screams desperate.

But, take my opinions in stride, because I'm not there yet, it's just a view from an outsider looking in.
 
This is just crazy!!! I'm a low-time guy...but am I the only one wondering how long it will be before some kid in a CRJ with 450/60 will get killed in the right seat???
 
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