airplanerik
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I dunno, maybe it is different in CA. But this is what the ND cop said...
Your winter driving lesson
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Snickersnwa
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Don’t forget your (general your) attitude speaks volumes.
Also, it doesn’t hurt getting your foot in the door coming from a well known place. It’s up to you (general you) to do the rest.
Being humble is always good
Snickersnwa
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Then why even have these stop signs? I’m not going to be the only one that doesn’t stop at ‘em.
Good thing you didn’t get into an accident then, because I find it hard to believe that the insurance companies would see it the same way. I’m sure that would be a blast to explain… “but, but, but… I don’t have to stop at these stop signs…”
JaceTheAce
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Insurance company can think whatever they want, so that would be the reason why to make an effort to stop at those stopsigns.
Tommay85
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I don't run them, I'm just pointing out that you can't get in trouble for failure to stop at a stop sign in a parking lot.
JaceTheAce
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Attitude too. Which is why I have a perceived excellent attitude on the UND subforums
Snickersnwa
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Play with fire if you wish.
If I remember correctly, I don't think that all the stop signs in the video were in a parking lot though.
Tommay85
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They were.
A couple pointers:
If you're DOING something doofus, put the camcorder away.
If you've DONE something stupid, don't talk about it on Myspace or facebook.
Generally I don't honor thread deletions because I'd spend all day doing secretarial work for stuff that's already indexed at google nightly so I just took out the reference.
If you're DOING something doofus, put the camcorder away.
If you've DONE something stupid, don't talk about it on Myspace or facebook.
Generally I don't honor thread deletions because I'd spend all day doing secretarial work for stuff that's already indexed at google nightly so I just took out the reference.
Screaming_Emu
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Not true, I went to school there and didn't have a car for any of the 4.5 years I was there, lived off campus for about half of it.
You guys saying "but I'm good enough to break the rules" is the exact same attitude of somebody who would continue an approach past minimums thinking "I know what I'm doing, we'll land just fine". More times than not it will work out, but eventually you wont be so lucky. And we'll be here to tell you "told you so...get a lawyer"
JaceTheAce
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There are pedestrians ON CAMPUS, but no where else. ND is mostly rural so people are gonna be either driving their truck or tractor, not walking down Rural Route 193 East.
And I doubt UAL747 would ever go below approach minimums - that's a whole different ball park that's playing with death.
Dugie8
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Not to keep beating this dead horse, I think the point(s) have been made. But the bolded part is EXACTLY what a prospective employer will be thinking if it was between Tom and someone else who didn't publicize this kind of "behavior".
How is someone to know where Tom draws the line at breaking rules??
TXaviator
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because some people have the ability to think critically and realize the distinction between the two?
sliding a car in snow = fun, only dangerous to self and own-property, and really not that dangerous anyway
going below minimums in hard IMC = possible death ticket.
i should hope an interviewer can get at least a basic picture of the applicant's overall competency and decision making abilities to distinguish between the guy who likes to have some fun, and the death trap cowboy / n00b
Dugie8
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You can dress it up anyway you like, folks have "personalities" that tend towards different kinds of behaviour, Tom's seems to be one of breaking the rules if he doesn't think they apply to him at his skill level. So after he gets a couple of thousand hours in an airplane and has done some approaches to "hard IMC mins" is he going to now think his skill is good enough that those mins don't apply to him? If I was a betting man, I would bet he would, not someone I want flying my property, family, etc around.
I have a bit of a vested and thus bias interest in this, because the area he was dicking around in is where my two nephews live, one is only 11 and has a physical handicap, last thing he needs is to be hit by some dumbass joyriding.
RyosukeFC
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Rules (in the air and on the road) are meant to keep the majority of people with average skill level at a relative low risk level.
There are people who posses the skills to do things in excess of the established rules. In the air, test pilots and military pilots come to mind. On the ground they might include, race drivers and law enforcement. With both situations above what sets them apart from average is the specialized training they recieve.
People tend to have a problem with those who claim they have extraordinary skill who don't go through the proper channels to gain credibility (test pilot school, professional race driving school on a track, etc.).
There are people who posses the skills to do things in excess of the established rules. In the air, test pilots and military pilots come to mind. On the ground they might include, race drivers and law enforcement. With both situations above what sets them apart from average is the specialized training they recieve.
People tend to have a problem with those who claim they have extraordinary skill who don't go through the proper channels to gain credibility (test pilot school, professional race driving school on a track, etc.).
Screaming_Emu
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yep, because getting credibility means that somebody else who DOES know what they're doing is actually teaching/endorsing this person. I'm sorry, but Jace saying "but he's a good driver" just doesn't cut it for me. And its not the driving itself that is the issue here, its the lack of good judgement and overall concern for other people. You may be the best driver out there, but we've all had moments on public roads where we go "whoa, I didn't see that car/person/whatever there" and if you say you haven't, you're lying.
Tommay85
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You are twisting things around WAY to much just to try to make a point. Was it a questionable idea to video tape it and post in on here? Yes, I'll agree with you on that point. Was the driving in anyway dangerous to anyone or their property? Sorry to say, but that is where you're just going ot have to agree to disagree. I can completely understand your resentment towards my actions in the video because of you knowing someone close to you living in that area, of which I apoligize if it offends you. I know someone that was in a serious roll over accident himself trying to avoid someone messing around in a situation that they shouldn't have been, and it hit home pretty hard. Pure and simple, the camera just does not show the situation in it's entirety; the complete 360 degree view I had, the speed I was traveling, the preperation, etc... I never do anything like that of the sort as to put someone's life in danger.
I've riden with plenty of people that do go to the extreme and know better than to take it that far. I've also been in a small roll over accident myself while riding with someone that did. Not that I expect you to care, because I obviously did something that crossed your proverbial line of what too far is and I'm sure you could frankly give a crap about my life and my past experiances.
This is going to be my final post in this tread which was a mistake to begin with, a late night impulsive post that was completely tounge in cheek. I'm not trying to justify any of my actions in the video. I have my feelings on it. Those of you that object have yours and are entitled to your own opinions.
JaceTheAce
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I actually have never admitted that I was a good driver on this forum. There's always a lot to learn in the world of auto racing.
ORDFlyer85
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Who defines what good judgement is ? Is good judgment drinking the night before until 9am and heading to the Airbus and fly 150 passangers when your hungover ? Is it drinking at the bar and driving home ? Is it speeding down the interstate at 90 in a 70 mph zone ??
PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, and I sit here and read this ... "i have to disagree blah blah blah" .... we've all made a bad judgement call in our day, and I don't think its fair that we focus on one persons possible "mistake" and make it into a huge issue where it sounds like we should take every rating he owned away from him for something not even flying related... and as far as the point about him not being a pilot you want flying your family and how he'll probably bust minimums ... I ask have you flown with him ? Have you seen his flying skills ? Do you have a firm basis for your judgement ? Do you judge books by there cover ? Cause thats whats happening here !!
Even the best pilots make mistakes in the air ... does that make them a bad person, a bad pilot ? Would you stop being friends with a person cause they made a mistake while flying ?
Just seems like there is a lot of critical talk here, but i think some people have failed to see that we are all human here.