Cessna 172RG gear-up landing

Sounded like the gear warning and I can't believe that he thought the gear was down with all that noise going on. Guess he was really concentrated on what looked like a spot landing
 
wow! Thats my home airport where I keep my airplane....Anyone know when this happened exactly? It says Jan 07 which is weird bc I watched a guy land an arrow gear up out there in early january..Bad luck for 2m8.....that sux for this guy
 
Well at first I thought this was a belly landing done on purpose after having gear problems, but I guess not.
 
Yeah, I think the PIC was just able to show his emotion and the CFI or whoever over there was like "WTF?". Ahh, I feel bad for the guy in a way, but I'm not sure how out of three people no one mentions the constant beeping horn for a straight minute or two before scraping across the runway. Who knows, with gear-ups still happening, maybe the notification should be changed to orgasmic sounds or something....

"ooooohhhh baby, your gear is UPPP!"
 
I dont think it was a gear problem....If i was having a gear problem the last thing I would do is leave my engine running and an unfeathered prop....Plus the grass next to the runway would have been a far better surface to scrape against on the belly than that runway......But I think it was a (edit) up on the PIC bc he slams his hand on the dash once they almost stop
 
....If i was having a gear problem the last thing I would do is leave my engine running and an unfeathered prop....
I tend to disagree with this statement, primarily because I would much rather have people go into this situation with the mindset that it is O.K. to sacrifice a prop and an engine rebuild in order to keep the option for a go-around if needed. Yeah, I won't second guess someone for shutting down once the runway is made FOR SURE, and the speed is right and the commitment to land is a safe decision...I just don't wan't someone to be so predisposed to save the engine above all other considerations that they commit to land, shut down the engine, THEN figure out that the increased drag from a wind-milling prop means they are going to come up short. Much better to have the mindset that they will give the prop to the insurance company, and only try to save it if everything works in their favor, in my opinion. Remember, you don't get money back from the insurance company if you save them an engine rebuild, so don't sacrifice safety just for their pocketbook.

Again, I'm not saying it is wrong to shut down the engine, I'm just saying it is wrong to go into the situation planning on doing so.

Plus the grass next to the runway would have been a far better surface to scrape against on the belly than that runway......

Not sure I agree with this one either. I've seen culverts in the low grass areas along side runways. I've also seen transitions from the grass area to the crossing taxiways that would ruin your day. I've also heard people argue that partially extended gear, or an open gear door, could dig into the softer ground in a grassy area and cause the plane to cart-wheel. I can think of lots of reasons that I would rather land wheels-up on pavement than grass.

Not intending to pick on you personally, but these are two *common knowledge* kind of statements that I think people ought to really think through before finding themselves in the situation.

:)
 
Perhaps I missed it as well, but maybe their situational awareness being distracted by casual conversation was the reason they missed not putting the gear down?

I'm curious why the gear-up landing reason as well.
 
I tend to disagree with this statement, primarily because I would much rather have people go into this situation with the mindset that it is O.K. to sacrifice a prop and an engine rebuild in order to keep the option for a go-around if needed. Yeah, I won't second guess someone for shutting down once the runway is made FOR SURE, and the speed is right and the commitment to land is a safe decision...I just don't wan't someone to be so predisposed to save the engine above all other considerations that they commit to land, shut down the engine, THEN figure out that the increased drag from a wind-milling prop means they are going to come up short. Much better to have the mindset that they will give the prop to the insurance company, and only try to save it if everything works in their favor, in my opinion. Remember, you don't get money back from the insurance company if you save them an engine rebuild, so don't sacrifice safety just for their pocketbook.

Again, I'm not saying it is wrong to shut down the engine, I'm just saying it is wrong to go into the situation planning on doing so.



Not sure I agree with this one either. I've seen culverts in the low grass areas along side runways. I've also seen transitions from the grass area to the crossing taxiways that would ruin your day. I've also heard people argue that partially extended gear, or an open gear door, could dig into the softer ground in a grassy area and cause the plane to cart-wheel. I can think of lots of reasons that I would rather land wheels-up on pavement than grass.

Not intending to pick on you personally, but these are two *common knowledge* kind of statements that I think people ought to really think through before finding themselves in the situation.

No personal picking taken. :) .. Let me back up on what I said....I was implying once the runway was made, then shut down and feather. Doing this prevents further damage to the engine and to the prop as you well know. But in this guys situation, I did some homework and asked around the airport and his gear was not malfunctioning so non of the prior statements we have said apply. Just a really big oops and about a 20k :banghead: ......

The only reason I would have landed in the grass is because its my home airport and know its ok to do so....I watch many airplanes do it at 2m8 all the time. Now not being familiar with an airport and not knowing if its ok, no you are right that prob wouldnt be a good idea....Hope this clears up some of my unclear statements! :)
 
Again, I'm not saying it is wrong to shut down the engine, I'm just saying it is wrong to go into the situation planning on doing so.

I recall reading some accident report where a twin with gear problems cut off both engines on short final and the instant drag caused the a/c to land short of the runway. Killed everyone.

There has also been some discussion as to whether feathering the props would result in more, rather than less, damage. The thinking goes that hitting the concrete with a flat blade will bend it, but if the blade hits edge on, such as when feathered, the engine is more likely to be dislodged from its mounts, rather than the blade giving way.

<<I can think of lots of reasons that I would rather land wheels-up on pavement than grass.>>

My understanding is that it's generally accepted that you should always land gear up on pavement and not grass. A soft surface tends to pile up in front of the skidding aircraft, possibly causing it to flip,
 
I am shocked that no one has mentioned - the dead give away that it was not planned was the fact they did not open their doors prior to touch down.

I also wonder if the gear horn was added afterwards - it sounds very 'on top'.........
 
I agree with SteveC. Maybe it is because I don't own a plane (and probably never will), but I'm not willing to make a last second go-around impossible if I can help it. This is the purpose of insurance. If I ever have a gear problem, my only concerns will be for myself and my passengers. Too many pilots have turned bad into worse by doing otherwise.
 
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