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Rumor has it there was a irate passenger that was interefering with flight crew duties and was belligerent enough onboard a flight that it almost brought out the entire airport police department.

It turns out after checking law enforcement credentials that the credentials looked questionable and it was unclear if the gate properly checked them or if he was armed or not, but apparently, they were falsified.

I wasn't on the flight, but this was going down over the ramp frequency.

No it wasn't me, and I'm not even saying which airline it was, but if someone claims to be a law enforcement official, do not presume the gate agents/TSA checked them, especially if they're armed.

BE CAREFUL.

Look for yourself, don't release the parking brake until they've introduced themselves with credentials.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
TSA...What good are they?
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Not much. I got the 20 minute shakedown today...in uniform...trying to make a flight. It seems I had a large paperclip attached to my flight crew logbook in my shirt pocket and I'd forgotten about it. So, when I went through the metal detector, it set it off. Well, you would've thought I was the #1 terrorist trying to board a flight on July 4th to bring down the American Dogs. I then got pulled for the special treatment. I said, "Oh, it must be my logbook." Well, that wasn't good enough......Off to the special line. I was like "Um, you realize I'm trying to make a flight." Well, that wasn't helping.....take this off, hold this, turn around, I was asked if I needed to go to the private screening area if I was shy.......I then said, No...just do it here and get it over with.....PLEASE! Then, when I was finally done w/ the super-check. I had to go claim my luggage/ computer from the X-ray and then it was decided my computer needed to have the bomb test as well. Obviously, the 4th of July terrorist profile is single white male pilot in uniform. The TSA finally decided........Ok, we can safely fly the friendly skies now.....I'm not a terrorist. DUH.....no freakin' kidding!

TSA = USELESS!

/rant
 
Not saying too much about it, but we had an armed individual on a flight last week who was unknown to anybody onboard. He worked for an "agency" that apparently was unaware of the procedures involved with LEOs flying. Made for an interesting few minutes in cruise when our FA reported it. Seems that the TSA will let just about anybody with a badge through.
 
Have you had the "I'm a sherriff from Hazzard County Missour-UH" with liquor on his breath, yet?
 
That's pretty much what this one was. But it was a goverment agency that I didn't even know was authorized to carry weapons. Turns out they aren't. The guy assumed his government ID and his conceled weapons permit was enough to get him on the plane. TSA seemed to think so as well. But I got to ask... why does a dude from the Department of Education need to be packing?
 
One of my students asked if they could carry their weapon on their aircraft with them when we did flight training. I told them that if they were buy themselves they could, but if I'm in the plane then I'm PIC and I say no. It went something like this:

Bob: "But why can't I carry my gun with me? What if you try to hijack the plane and kill me?"
Me: "Bob you don't know how to land yet, you killing me isn't going to help you"
Bob: "Oh..."
 
BobDDuck said:
That's pretty much what this one was. But it was a goverment agency that I didn't even know was authorized to carry weapons. Turns out they aren't. The guy assumed his government ID and his conceled weapons permit was enough to get him on the plane. TSA seemed to think so as well. But I got to ask... why does a dude from the Department of Education need to be packing?
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This is why the TSA needs a real police agency to oversee its behavior. DOT-OIG (Special Agents) used to supervise them before they moved over to DHS, and they would implement SOUND POLICY. For OPSEC reasons I won't mention the not-so-obvious problems with the scenario you stated, but I think we can all see how ridiculous this is.

On the same note, you'd be surprised at how many agencies are authorized to carry on board (around 74). From the Dept. of Agriculture to the Dept. of Energy, there are plenty of foiks authorized to carry once they've taken "the course."

J.
 
C150J said:
This is why the TSA needs a real police agency to oversee its behavior. DOT-OIG (Special Agents) used to supervise them before they moved over to DHS, and they would implement SOUND POLICY. For OPSEC reasons I won't mention the not-so-obvious problems with the scenario you stated, but I think we can all see how ridiculous this is.

On the same note, you'd be surprised at how many agencies are authorized to carry on board (around 74). From the Dept. of Agriculture to the Dept. of Energy, there are plenty of foiks authorized to carry once they've taken "the course."

J.
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C'mon people the TSA was created by the Bush admin just to proactively reassure the nation the government was doing something about airport security. When as we all know they really did nothing and their have been no signifigant changes in airport security post 9/11.

Smoke & mirros people,smoke & mirrors!
 
BobDDuck said:
That's pretty much what this one was. But it was a goverment agency that I didn't even know was authorized to carry weapons. Turns out they aren't. The guy assumed his government ID and his conceled weapons permit was enough to get him on the plane. TSA seemed to think so as well. But I got to ask... why does a dude from the Department of Education need to be packing?
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Probably a teacher at an inner-city school.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
C'mon people the TSA was created by the Bush admin just to proactively reassure the nation the government was doing something about airport security. When as we all know they really did nothing and their have been no signifigant changes in airport security post 9/11.

Smoke & mirros people,smoke & mirrors!
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Bravo!
 
Here's another good one. One of my cousins is a Secret Service Agent. He's been protecting the President and dignitaries for years. He must always have his weapon with him, even when he is not on duty, because, well, he IS always on duty. When travelling on personal business, he can keep it in his bag and partially disassembled if he wishes.

A few weeks ago he was on vacation and went to see his grandmother. He gets to the airport, has all the proper documentation filled out (as he has done God-knows how many times) as well as his ID et. al. and approaches the security station. He informs the TSA checker that he is a Secret Service Agent, hands over the documentation and tells him that he has a gun in his carry-on bag. As he put it, you'd have thought Osama himself had just shown up. The TSA guy went nuts, had no idea how to handle it and was ready to shut down the airport. THIS MAN HAS A GUN!!

Thankfully after a little discussion and a call to two supervisors, cooler heads prevailed. Someone finally came who knew the drill and as Shakespeare said, "all's well that ends well." Of course he did have to have the special pat down, just in case.
 
A guy with the national forrest service was on my plane today that was packin heat. NFS? Are you kidding me? Why do they need to carry a firearm on board a plane? I thought of your post as he was showing me his credentials.
 
mrivc211 said:
A guy with the national forrest service was on my plane today that was packin heat. NFS? Are you kidding me? Why do they need to carry a firearm on board a plane? I thought of your post as he was showing me his credentials.
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Because you may have Venus-Fly-Traps on a Plane !!!!


Now say that in your best Samuel L Jackson impersonation, and bingo.
 
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