NetJets crash in Laredo TX

scoobs said:
I wonder how this will affect Netjets long term. Their safety record is the reason the wealthy peeps fly with them.
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It’s still an amazing record. And if you can get clients to look at the risk profile of driving from a small town with a GA airport to a larger town with “regional” airline service and then flying on a subcontractor before reaching an airport where the air carrier they purchased their ticket from operates…Netjets looks really good.

Owning your own airplane with a professional crew should be safer yet and yet statistics say otherwise. And that’s amongst why I think SMS should be mandatory for all 91 jet operators, but that’s a soap box to step onto later.
 
pwttogfk said:
Owning your own airplane with a professional crew should be safer yet and yet statistics say otherwise.
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Compared to whom? You can’t just cite part 91 numbers and say that. That lumps us with every weekend warrior out there flying single pilot in a PC12 they have no business being in.

Separating private owned jets with a professional crew and you start to get safety numbers a lot closer to 135/121.

You could cite the Biffle crash as starting point, but that pilot was….shall we say….more airline than corporate. And that wasn’t a professional crew. That was him and his illegal copilot.
 
Well, let's see some statistics. I really don't know what the data shows, but it's never too late for a side order of fact! :)
 
I'm more interested in cold statistics, not specifically a private aviation promotional video.

Otherwise, it's a little bit like a thirsty "A350 Pilots, are they the sexiest or just hella fine?" video, amarite? :)
 
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That's not good.

A couple weeks ago out of Paris, there was a QS jet having all sorts of unspecified problems, stayed low, slow, very non-specific with LFFF about 'running checklists' and not being able to climb or accelerate, box patterns and then ended up on the tracks later on.

That was…. interesting.

I remember telling my first officers: "Man, if we're running abnormal checklists with some sort of control surface or HLD issue I'd head back to the airport and tell maintenance 'Here ya go!'"

I'll have to see if LiveATC has the audio from that.
 
derg said:
That's not good.

A couple weeks ago out of Paris, there was a QS jet having all sorts of unspecified problems, stayed low, slow, very non-specific with LFFF about 'running checklists' and not being able to climb or accelerate, box patterns and then ended up on the tracks later on.

That was…. interesting.

I remember telling my first officers: "Man, if we're running abnormal checklists with some sort of control surface or HLD issue I'd head back to the airport and tell maintenance 'Here ya go!'"

I'll have to see if LiveATC has the audio from that.
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I never understood the folks who are secretive with ATC about what’s going on. I’m laying it all on the table. This is what’s happening and what I need and what’s going to happen 🤷‍♂️.

“I love me” which means I’m not dicking around trying to save the company’s bucket to make service. Here Mr/ms mx person, fix it!
 
phill1174 said:
I never understood the folks who are secretive with ATC about what’s going on. I’m laying it all on the table. This is what’s happening and what I need and what’s going to happen 🤷‍♂️.

“I love me” which means I’m not dicking around trying to save the company’s bucket to make service. Here Mr/ms mx person, fix it!
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Pride, I guess.
 
phill1174 said:
I never understood the folks who are secretive with ATC about what’s going on. I’m laying it all on the table. This is what’s happening and what I need and what’s going to happen 🤷‍♂️.

“I love me” which means I’m not dicking around trying to save the company’s bucket to make service. Here Mr/ms mx person, fix it!
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I suspect it might be less about that and more about not having a minor issue become internet fodder.
 
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