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2 dead after small UPS plane, paraglider collide mid-air in Fort Bend County near Brazos River, authorities say

Two people were killed Tuesday morning when a small plane struck a paraglider near the Brazos River, Fort Bend County Pct. 3 Constable Chat Norvell confirmed.
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Initial reports say they hit a paraglider enroute. Flightaware track doesn’t offer much info either.

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MRA685 Martinaire Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track Martinaire #685 flight from Houston Bush Int'ctl to Victoria Rgnl
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Condolences to all involved. I’ve worked them out to Victoria many times.
 
What a bummer. I live right next to one of the most popular paragliding places in the US. They are all over in the summer. Nearest airport is a good 5 miles away and pretty rural area. Always worry about aircraft not seeing them.
 
tlewis95 said:
You would be terrified if you only knew how much traffic is still out there that doesn't show up on your ipad, going all the way up to 17.5k
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I grew up in the land before TCAS. See and avoid aside that idiot is just asking for trouble up there.
 
Paragliders generally jump off cliffs and high ridges. Not much of that around Houston. Wonder if it was a powered parachute?
 
Wardogg said:
I grew up in the land before TCAS. See and avoid aside that idiot is just asking for trouble up there.
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Yup the NTSB will take one full year to investigate, but the probable cause for any midair collision will always be ”failure to see and avoid.”

I like how we’re expected to realistically scan 360 degree of sky and be able to catch in time a potential collision hazard. Gee, if people saw it coming, they probably wouldn’t have hit would they?

Ridiculous conclusion. “Failure of see and avoid” needs to be taken out back and out down.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Sorry, I don’t care what you’re flying but if you’re at 6,000 ft you need a transponder and ADS-B out.

Ridiculous.

Hell, anything flying with a human in it should have a transponder with ADS-out. If we can force seatbelts and face masks, then people will eventually come to accept mandatory transponder plus ADS out.
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The problem with this is the financial burden to owners. There are hundreds if not thousands of aircraft types out there that are exempt for one reason or another. Many of which due to their lack of an electrical system. Now you're talking about thousands of dollars in aircraft modifications, some of which are unique or one off that would require designing or engineering one-off ADS-B compliance.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yup the NTSB will take one full year to investigate, but the probable cause for any midair collision will always be ”failure to see and avoid.”

I like how we’re expected to realistically scan 360 degree of sky and be able to catch in time a potential collision hazard. Gee, if people saw it coming, they probably wouldn’t have hit would they?

Ridiculous conclusion. “Failure of see and avoid” needs to be taken out back and out down.
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depending on the impact dynamics, it’s not always the fault of both aircraft.


CFI A&P said:
The problem with this is the financial burden to owners. There are hundreds if not thousands of aircraft types out there that are exempt for one reason or another. Many of which due to their lack of an electrical system. Now you're talking about thousands of dollars in aircraft modifications, some of which are unique or one off that would require designing or engineering one-off ADS-B compliance.
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Been seeing less and less private GA flying around at DVT, and lots of same just parked and rotting away seemingly. Doesn’t help that DVT is inside the PHX Mode C veil and thus the ADS-B requirement, but your assessment is truth. Of course, maybe that was one of the side designs of this whole thing…..
 
MikeD said:
depending on the impact dynamics, it’s not always the fault of both aircraft.




Been seeing less and less private GA flying around at DVT, and lots of same just parked and rotting away seemingly. Doesn’t help that DVT is inside the PHX Mode C veil and thus the ADS-B requirement, but your assessment is truth. Of course, maybe that was one of the side designs of this whole thing…..
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Question (because I was trying to interpret this the other day) - is ADSB required below the outer ring shelf, or just within the shelf up to 10K?
 
CFI A&P said:
The problem with this is the financial burden to owners. There are hundreds if not thousands of aircraft types out there that are exempt for one reason or another. Many of which due to their lack of an electrical system. Now you're talking about thousands of dollars in aircraft modifications, some of which are unique or one off that would require designing or engineering one-off ADS-B compliance.
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Before the ADS-B out requirement took effect, I was on this side of the fence. Now that we've seen that the cost burden is relatively low, I'm on the other side. It's a huge improvement to safety.

In aircraft where ADS-B out is not suitable, for example, due to a lack of electrical system or transponder, a TABS-compliant beacon should be required. The burden on owners is negligible compared to tiedown/hangar costs/overhaul/fuel/maintenance/etc.

Just my opinion, though. Driving jets full of passengers changed my perspective a bit, I think. There are operational windows where safe operation of the airplane, complex clearances, weather deviations, and so on takes four eyes and at least part of two brains, and it's easy to briefly neglect see and avoid. At jet speeds, that can be enough time to get much too close.

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CFI A&P said:
The problem with this is the financial burden to owners. There are hundreds if not thousands of aircraft types out there that are exempt for one reason or another. Many of which due to their lack of an electrical system. Now you're talking about thousands of dollars in aircraft modifications, some of which are unique or one off that would require designing or engineering one-off ADS-B compliance.
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If you're not having to meet FAA certification standards and can just meet the same standards of consumer electronics the cost should be a lot lower.

A battery powered portable ADS-B transmitter the size of a iPhone could probably be available for a few hundred dollars.
 
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