Oh Dacuj

Derg said:
Yes.

I’m not really a ”wind check” guy because I’m of the school of thought that winds are supremely localized weather phenomena. Winds at the measuring station may not be the winds the aircraft is experiencing for a number of reasons. But if someone wants a check, good on them.

I did, however, get a wind check during severe crosswinds in DTW a few years ago when things weren’t making sense and it turns out with the runway contamination and braking action, the observed AND freshly reported winds put us out of limits for the runway. “We’re going to need to land west for operational necessities or we will have to proceed to Cleveland” and that set off a chain reaction of other jets realizing that it’s out of limits.
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Oh lordy. You made them land west in DTW?

Yowsers. You caused the whole world to end.
 
Derg said:
I did, however, get a wind check during severe crosswinds in DTW a few years ago when things weren’t making sense and it turns out with the runway contamination and braking action, the observed AND freshly reported winds put us out of limits for the runway. “We’re going to need to land west for operational necessities or we will have to proceed to Cleveland” and that set off a chain reaction of other jets realizing that it’s out of limits.
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Yea, now that your wind check is on the tapes everyone has to play the game.

Next time, just look at the bright orange thing like everyone else.

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NovemberEcho said:
Fortunately as an N90 controller I don’t have to tell anyone else I’m better than them because they already know it. Except the guys in ISP sector. They have to be told.
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but would you be able to make the competitive cut for working at U90?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Pretty far back :(

I get ALPA, AOPA (lifetime), and Flying. I can only stuff so many of those in my flight kit bag. I also realized they’re out of order. Just read an AOPA magazine for May 2020, whereas just last week I read the latest June (‘21) magazine. I gotta organize them better.
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AFAIK, they are all online. So, stuffing them in your flight bag is, ah... unrequired? Or are you NOW going to go all "old school" on us?
 
NovemberEcho said:
no, boredom makes me weird and ornery
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In the world in which we currently live, there is precisely ZERO excuse for ever being bored... with the potential exception of lack of initiative (even that's a far stretch, as shirt just keeps being thrust upon us).
 
Space Monkey said:
In the world in which we currently live, there is precisely ZERO excuse for ever being bored... with the potential exception of lack of initiative (even that's a far stretch, as shirt just keeps being thrust upon us).
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Oh there is plenty of reasons to be bored at a slow radar facility. Want to see what’s it’s like? Sit in front of your tv with it powered off. Stare at it for 90 minutes. Tell me you’re not bored. No phones allowed .
 
NovemberEcho said:
Oh there is plenty of reasons to be bored at a slow radar facility. Want to see what’s it’s like? Sit in front of your tv with it powered off. Stare at it for 90 minutes. Tell me you’re not bored. No phones allowed .
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Ok. I get that. Bored at a place of compulsory positioning is a different story. That's actually disheartening to hear.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Fortunately as an N90 controller I don’t have to tell anyone else I’m better than them because they already know it. Except the guys in ISP sector. They have to be told.
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There's a chick in your office who is pretty damned good. Not sure if better than you, but pretty damned good. ;)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’m old school. I prefer paper. I hate the switch to electronic. Even flight manuals. I’d rather carry the weight and be able to flip through pages.
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The weight I could do without. I do seriously dig the experience, and the durable, immutable, persistent nature of ink on paper. Once it's printed, no one can mess with the text, the byline, or the date published. It is written.
 
Come to think of it, I could do without the paper Jepp updates.

I just like flipping through pages. It’s just not the same when I do it on the iPhone or iPad. My screen time is already too much, this just makes it worse.
 
Boris Badenov said:
That said, the grade inflation of turbulence reports is irritating, although I haven't myself noticed SJI being any worse than anyone else in that regard.
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As is continuous misreporting of turbulence versus chop, and the cynical refusal—at some airlines, at least—to label something as 'moderate.'

If the airplane is making noise, and the coffee is about to slosh out of my cup, and I feel myself being bumped against my belt, it's moderate. Might be turbulence, might be chop, but it's moderate. When I was an FO, I had a captain mock me for reporting something as "moderate turbulence," after an uncommanded roll to ~20°, a pitch change, the airplane creaking and squeaking, and water bottles getting tossed around.

"That wouldn't even be light chop to a 777."

Well, we're not in a 777, and a/c type is included in UA/UUA for a reason. And it's not chop in any way.

Some pilots seem to think that the turbulence scale goes like this: Light chop -> Moderate chop -> Light turbulence -> Moderate turbulence -> Severe turbulence -> Extreme turbulence.

Frankly, Delta's "Every airplane is a sensor" method should be standard practice. On a related but unrelated note, I'm really not sure why airliners aren't used as real-time high-altitude weather reporting stations. I would think that the magnitude of data available would be invaluable to supplementing models, in ways that aerostat, dropsonde, satellite and ground station data all plays a part.

Anyway.
 
Acrofox said:
As is continuous misreporting of turbulence versus chop, and the cynical refusal—at some airlines, at least—to label something as 'moderate.'

If the airplane is making noise, and the coffee is about to slosh out of my cup, and I feel myself being bumped against my belt, it's moderate. Might be turbulence, might be chop, but it's moderate. When I was an FO, I had a captain mock me for reporting something as "moderate turbulence," after an uncommanded roll to ~20°, a pitch change, the airplane creaking and squeaking, and water bottles getting tossed around.

"That wouldn't even be light chop to a 777."

Well, we're not in a 777, and a/c type is included in UA/UUA for a reason. And it's not chop in any way.

Some pilots seem to think that the turbulence scale goes like this: Light chop -> Moderate chop -> Light turbulence -> Moderate turbulence -> Severe turbulence -> Extreme turbulence.

Frankly, Delta's "Every airplane is a sensor" method should be standard practice. On a related but unrelated note, I'm really not sure why airliners aren't used as real-time high-altitude weather reporting stations. I would think that the magnitude of data available would be invaluable to supplementing models, in ways that aerostat, dropsonde, satellite and ground station data all plays a part.

Anyway.
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Turn TAPS on in WSI ?
 
Acrofox said:
On a related but unrelated note, I'm really not sure why airliners aren't used as real-time high-altitude weather reporting stations. I would think that the magnitude of data available would be invaluable to supplementing models, in ways that aerostat, dropsonde, satellite and ground station data all plays a part.
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Many of them are.
 
Acrofox said:
As is continuous misreporting of turbulence versus chop, and the cynical refusal—at some airlines, at least—to label something as 'moderate.'

If the airplane is making noise, and the coffee is about to slosh out of my cup, and I feel myself being bumped against my belt, it's moderate. Might be turbulence, might be chop, but it's moderate. When I was an FO, I had a captain mock me for reporting something as "moderate turbulence," after an uncommanded roll to ~20°, a pitch change, the airplane creaking and squeaking, and water bottles getting tossed around.

"That wouldn't even be light chop to a 777."

Well, we're not in a 777, and a/c type is included in UA/UUA for a reason. And it's not chop in any way.

Some pilots seem to think that the turbulence scale goes like this: Light chop -> Moderate chop -> Light turbulence -> Moderate turbulence -> Severe turbulence -> Extreme turbulence.

Frankly, Delta's "Every airplane is a sensor" method should be standard practice. On a related but unrelated note, I'm really not sure why airliners aren't used as real-time high-altitude weather reporting stations. I would think that the magnitude of data available would be invaluable to supplementing models, in ways that aerostat, dropsonde, satellite and ground station data all plays a part.

Anyway.
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I’ll tell you now no controller knows the difference between chop and turbulence. You say light chop or moderate chop, it’s getting put in as light or moderate turbulence.

And airplanes and pilot reports are a huge part of weather modeling.
 
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