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Maurus said:
Indeed. If they somehow get PBS through with a reduced/eliminated SAP I could see this changing rapidly. We are way overstaffed considering most regionals run around 10 - 11 pilots/plane. PSA is essentially at 14 pilots/plane currently and still has constant staffing issues. If SAP went away tomorrow PSA could probably pick up an extra 25+ planes almost overnight. Then again this seems like an issue with all AA owned regionals
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Getting rid of the SAP will not magically create the efficiency to suddenly grow rapidly. Do not believe that nonsense. Efficient pairings will help overall crew usage and scheduling efficiency. A lot of the IT infrastructure and software being used by various entities within the company is antiquated. A lot needs to happen for PSA to become more efficient. Whatever bidding tool the crews use is just a small piece of that puzzle and can’t in and of itself magically solve the company’s efficiency problems.
 
CUTigerPilot said:
These 14 hr 4 days at PSA are becoming more commonon original bid awards. If I’m at work, then put me to work. 3 hr sits in CLT/PHL/DCA are retarded.
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I can’t like this enough... It is probably one of my biggest gripes about PSA. Some of the trips are infuriatingly inefficient. I’m not saying that every single trip needs to be a 5/4/4/5 leg 25+ hour 4 day. But having any R1 lineholder awarded pairings with a DH to work 1 leg and then a 18 hour overnight just seems absolutely silly. 16-18 hour 4 days seem silly. I’ve been awarded a 3 hour and some change 2 day before on my original line award.

At this point I am not convinced that the mechanism the pilots use to bid for and adjust their schedules is the root of the problem. If anything, pilots utilizing SAP is a symptom of the problem and not the root cause. If the pairings handed down to us by AAG are the root cause, then someone in our management needs to be fighting tooth and nail to get that changed. Because until they do, the trips at PSA likely won’t improve whether we have PBS or line bidding and a SAP.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I can’t like this enough... It is probably one of my biggest gripes about PSA. Some of the trips are infuriatingly inefficient. I’m not saying that every single trip needs to be a 5/4/4/5 leg 25+ hour 4 day. But having any R1 lineholder awarded pairings with a DH to work 1 leg and then a 18 hour overnight just seems absolutely silly. 16-18 hour 4 days seem silly. I’ve been awarded a 3 hour and some change 2 day before on my original line award.

At this point I am not convinced that the mechanism the pilots use to bid for and adjust their schedules is the root of the problem. If anything, pilots utilizing SAP is a symptom of the problem and not the root cause. If the pairings handed down to us by AAG are the root cause, then someone in our management needs to be fighting tooth and nail to get that changed. Because until they do, the trips at PSA likely won’t improve whether we have PBS or line bidding and a SAP.
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I think the best the pilot's can do in that situation is, get some sort of rig that punishes the hell out of them for inefficiencies. To where, if they want to fly you one leg to bfe, sit for 2 days and fly one leg back, that's fine, cause it pays more or less the same as actually flying.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I can’t like this enough... It is probably one of my biggest gripes about PSA. Some of the trips are infuriatingly inefficient. I’m not saying that every single trip needs to be a 5/4/4/5 leg 25+ hour 4 day. But having any R1 lineholder awarded pairings with a DH to work 1 leg and then a 18 hour overnight just seems absolutely silly. 16-18 hour 4 days seem silly. I’ve been awarded a 3 hour and some change 2 day before on my original line award.

At this point I am not convinced that the mechanism the pilots use to bid for and adjust their schedules is the root of the problem. If anything, pilots utilizing SAP is a symptom of the problem and not the root cause. If the pairings handed down to us by AAG are the root cause, then someone in our management needs to be fighting tooth and nail to get that changed. Because until they do, the trips at PSA likely won’t improve whether we have PBS or line bidding and a SAP.
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Yeah, idk, 30hr 4days were my jam. 3 of those, start with 90hrs and 18 off.
 
z987k said:
I think the best the pilot's can do in that situation is, get some sort of rig that punishes the hell out of them for inefficiencies. To where, if they want to fly you one leg to bfe, sit for 2 days and fly one leg back, that's fine, cause it pays more or less the same as actually flying.
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MQ is 10 pilots per airframe (5/5 CA/FO, slightly slipping on the CA side lately. Woohoo critical coverage for the most of August on the CA side), at least on the CRJ. With that said, about 40% of the pilot group sits reserve. I had a reserve overnight where me and the CA deadheaded out in the morning for one leg back in the next day - found out the FAs got deadheaded out a day prior and were just sitting there. I had an overnight that started 8pm and had 9.5 hr block for 25 hrs tafb (I really like that second kind of an overnight better). 50/50 crapshot.
As of yesterday, only 8 FOs of almost 40 on the reserve list flew more than 30 hrs in July.
PS Quoted a wrong post, too lazy to change
 
BigZ said:
MQ is 10 pilots per airframe (5/5 CA/FO, slightly slipping on the CA side lately. Woohoo critical coverage for the most of August on the CA side), at least on the CRJ. With that said, about 40% of the pilot group sits reserve. I had a reserve overnight where me and the CA deadheaded out in the morning for one leg back in the next day - found out the FAs got deadheaded out a day prior and were just sitting there. I had an overnight that started 8pm and had 9.5 hr block for 25 hrs tafb (I really like that second kind of an overnight better). 50/50 crapshot.
As of yesterday, only 8 FOs of almost 40 on the reserve list flew more than 30 hrs in July.
PS Quoted a wrong post, too lazy to change
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I think honestly that it’s a WO thing... AA offers up its best pairings to non WO contract regionals and the WOs basically get what’s left over.
 
z987k said:
I think the best the pilot's can do in that situation is, get some sort of rig that punishes the hell out of them for inefficiencies. To where, if they want to fly you one leg to bfe, sit for 2 days and fly one leg back, that's fine, cause it pays more or less the same as actually flying.
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You have no idea how much I wish we had a 4.5 or 5 hour min day.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Getting rid of the SAP will not magically create the efficiency to suddenly grow rapidly. Do not believe that nonsense. Efficient pairings will help overall crew usage and scheduling efficiency. A lot of the IT infrastructure and software being used by various entities within the company is antiquated. A lot needs to happen for PSA to become more efficient. Whatever bidding tool the crews use is just a small piece of that puzzle and can’t in and of itself magically solve the company’s efficiency problems.
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I understand. But getting rid of sap would likely increase efficiency for the company as more of the crap trips won't be dropped all the time this requiring less people on reserve.

Yes, a lot needs to be done on the company side but sap is definitely a big efficiency killer. Great win for us. I'm not willing to let it go but don't assume it isn't a big efficiency killer as far as crew utilization.
 
Maurus said:
I understand. But getting rid of sap would likely increase efficiency for the company as more of the crap trips won't be dropped all the time this requiring less people on reserve.

Yes, a lot needs to be done on the company side but sap is definitely a big efficiency killer. Great win for us. I'm not willing to let it go but don't assume it isn't a big efficiency killer as far as crew utilization.
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Sure, that is obvious. But I think that getting rid of SAP is just the option that the company stands to benefit the most from in terms of gaining leverage over our pilot group. It is in no way a solution to even half of the problem.
 
swakid8 said:
New Hire class isn't AQP yet. They had a trial group start early March and they should be finishing up IOE right about this time right now. Guys that didn't make through AQP will get to go through normal non-AQP training without a black mark on their record.


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chrisreedrules said:
Ahh thanks for the info!
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Just got an update from my friend in the new hire class - you guys are switching to AQP. Half the class is freaking out due to no gauges on what's expected/how's it supposed to go and so forth.
Was your systems class CAE before or is that a new thing? Kinda wondering, because for us 175/145 are inhouse and the CRJ is straight from Bombardier- why reinvent the wheel?
 
BigZ said:
Just got an update from my friend in the new hire class - you guys are switching to AQP. Half the class is freaking out due to no gauges on what's expected/how's it supposed to go and so forth.
Was your systems class CAE before or is that a new thing? Kinda wondering, because for us 175/145 are inhouse and the CRJ is straight from Bombardier- why reinvent the wheel?
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I’m pretty sure the “systems class” was basically 75% CBT and 25% classroom instruction. I don’t remember where the source material came from for what they were teaching us. I think it was in house though if I remember correctly. It’s been a long time since I went through initial.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I’m pretty sure the “systems class” was basically 75% CBT and 25% classroom instruction. I don’t remember where the source material came from for what they were teaching us. I think it was in house though if I remember correctly. It’s been a long time since I went through initial.
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I worded it bad, meant the CBT - ours is from bombardier through their app. If my friend understood right, yours will be coming from CAE
 
BigZ said:
I worded it bad, meant the CBT - ours is from bombardier through their app. If my friend understood right, yours will be coming from CAE
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Yea I have no idea. Most of the guys I knew within our sim department have moved on to better things so I wouldn’t know who to ask to get you an immediate answer.
 
PDT MEC is starting roadshows on their few amended items, I take it.
Something like 2% raise, 12 days off - anyone with solid bullet points?
 
BigZ said:
PDT MEC is starting roadshows on their few amended items, I take it.
Something like 2% raise, 12 days off - anyone with solid bullet points?
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I'm expecting it to be a decisive NO vote. Not even worth posting the bullet points.
 
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