Reality check

Unless you know you don’t want to be at AA from first hand experience, I don’t understand why you would jump ship laterally to a job with only a guaranteed interview. You are getting 20 months of the time to flow away from the current situation. My advice is to stay put. You will flow soon and the hurt will be over.

As an HR person I can just see the big ???? at the guaranteed interview: why did you give up a guaranteed flow for a guaranteed interview so close to your flow? What’s your convincing answer?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
They’d settle and their insurers would pay out. Just asking the question would be liability risk for them. Most of them know better, so it would never be asked. USERRA is very strict in this regard.
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The insurance usually forces a settlement just shy of their deductible. Ask me how I know.
 
HRDiva said:
Unless you know you don’t want to be at AA from first hand experience, I don’t understand why you would jump ship laterally to a job with only a guaranteed interview. You are getting 20 months of the time to flow away from the current situation. My advice is to stay put. You will flow soon and the hurt will be over.

As an HR person I can just see the big ???? at the guaranteed interview: why did you give up a guaranteed flow for a guaranteed interview so close to your flow? What’s your convincing answer?
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A buddy of mine from the bad old days at MQ, where we had flow rights, was hired at AA long after surrendering them, so it isn’t insurmountable.
 
HRDiva said:
Unless you know you don’t want to be at AA from first hand experience, I don’t understand why you would jump ship laterally to a job with only a guaranteed interview. You are getting 20 months of the time to flow away from the current situation. My advice is to stay put. You will flow soon and the hurt will be over.

As an HR person I can just see the big ???? at the guaranteed interview: why did you give up a guaranteed flow for a guaranteed interview so close to your flow? What’s your convincing answer?
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It's mostly like this - all the stuff we bitch about at the regional, when I commute back and forth on mainline they bitch about the same exact things. Also, learned the hard way - never ask an West pilot what they think of 'Merican haha. Most Airways guys are super cool and laid back but again lots of complaining...

When I was commuting on Southern Jets I rarely heard anything negative.

Just my first person perspective in my limited experience. Southern Jets just seems to me a lot better run joint.

I don't think the flow will be as valuable a few years from now.

Lots of good food for thought. Haven't made any moves yet, other than going to an interview.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
It's mostly like this - all the stuff we bitch about at the regional, when I commute back and forth on mainline they bitch about the same exact things. Also, learned the hard way - never ask an West pilot what they think of 'Merican haha. Most Airways guys are super cool and laid back but again lots of complaining...
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Let me show you my paycheck/retirement/contract as a captain with absolutely zero schedule control vs an FO at a legacy doing almost the exact same routes. It's almost downright embarrassing.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
It's mostly like this - all the stuff we bitch about at the regional, when I commute back and forth on mainline they bitch about the same exact things. Also, learned the hard way - never ask an West pilot what they think of 'Merican haha. Most Airways guys are super cool and laid back but again lots of complaining...
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Bruh, that’s people. Literally every workplace in every profession.
 
As someone who has moved laterally, it sucks resetting the seniority button on just another regional. You will also be going to a regional that doesn’t have a flow, maybe a guaranteed interview but that is not the same thing. Unless you cannot stand the thought of working for AA in the next five years stay put and let your seniority rise while out on mil leave. Remember some of the sour guys will be retiring soon or at least within the next 15 years. If you hate your current regional that much is there anyway to keep getting mil orders until you flow?? Not sure how your unit works but I have a friend who managed to get orders until he was based at home with his current airline gig. He was able to skip the commuting/crash pad lifestyle on first year pay at one of the lower paying airlines because of the orders, instead he went overseas on a deployment. It was a pretty good deal
 
Ugh, stay put! Flow to AA then go to DL if you absolutely want to. Moving laterally at the legacy level is a lot easier than moving up from a regional. If you don't get hired at DL then what? 9E or AA? Hmmmmmmmm. Go deploy, upgrade, quit being a baby, and go to a legacy. All regionals suck. Why is this even a discussion?
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Ugh, stay put! Flow to AA then go to DL if you absolutely want to. Moving laterally at the legacy level is a lot easier than moving up from a regional. If you don't get hired at DL then what? 9E or AA? Hmmmmmmmm. Go deploy, upgrade, quit being a baby, and go to a legacy. All regionals suck. Why is this even a discussion?
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No flow to AA and then stay and make it a career! They haven't hired half as many bodies as DL has. Plus they have more retirements numbers. Which equals faster seniority. Especially if a furlough happens.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Unless the flow leads to a place you don't want to be... that is how much I'm not liking my job. Spent too many years in prior career being unhappy, I'm not going to do that again.

In any event its not like I'll be deciding today and its not like I'm jumping ship at the first sign of trouble. Lastly, riding out the storm is not off the table - as previously stated the irony of trading fleas is not lost on me.

Appreciate the thoughts very much.
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Equating your experience at a regional to AA is insanity. I fly with flows all the time. They always say how much better things are at mainline.

And people will complain everywhere. That’s human nature.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Unless the flow leads to a place you don't want to be... that is how much I'm not liking my job. Spent too many years in prior career being unhappy, I'm not going to do that again.

In any event its not like I'll be deciding today and its not like I'm jumping ship at the first sign of trouble. Lastly, riding out the storm is not off the table - as previously stated the irony of trading fleas is not lost on me.

Appreciate the thoughts very much.
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Equating your experience at a regional to AA is insanity. I fly with flows all the time. They always say how much better things are at mainline.

And people will complain everywhere. That’s human nature.
 
bLizZuE said:
STAY.
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