can't faa just approve foreflight?

Mavmb

Mavmb

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It is such a scramble to get paper charts when you suddenly get assigned a trip in a new area. It is not like I can go to Walmart to get them and enroute charts cant be printed.
I wish the FAA would stop requiring them for 135 pilots who have an active foreflight subscription.
 
Mavmb said:
It is such a scramble to get paper charts when you suddenly get assigned a trip in a new area. It is not like I can go to Walmart to get them and enroute charts cant be printed.
I wish the FAA would stop requiring them for 135 pilots who have an active foreflight subscription.
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Can't your 135 just buy ipads like everyone else

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Getting the setup done for EFBs isn't that bad so the company should make it happen.

That said, the Feds make the process of getting foreflight approved absurd compared to what it should be.
 
Really, they should just issue blanket approval for Foreflight + iPad with most current OS (no update notification) at this point. I can't vouch for other app/device combos but there are probably a few more.
 
hook_dupin said:
But that test period.... tons of value is created there.
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I'll play devils advocate for a minute. While the iPad may work just fine, the pilots (especially the old fart variety like me) may have some unique issues with electronic charts. Remember to charge the thing, remember to update it, make sure there is wifi to do so, etc, etc. It isn't like there are standardized tablets or training - I've had to figure it out for myself, as I suspect most of us have. And I still prefer the paper plates. I mostly carry both, still.

For 135 operations, IMHO, it should be company devices only with company training. I don't think that is unreasonable at all.
 
Mavmb said:
It is such a scramble to get paper charts when you suddenly get assigned a trip in a new area. It is not like I can go to Walmart to get them and enroute charts cant be printed.
I wish the FAA would stop requiring them for 135 pilots who have an active foreflight subscription.
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*Shrug* maybe go to a better company? It's not like the FAA cant approve you for some version of proven hardware/software, or as delta learned with the surface 2, you can even be approved for garbage hardware.

It's not like it's hard anymore, and the FAA aint stopping anyone.
 
jynxyjoe said:
or as delta learned with the surface 2, you can even be approved for garbage hardware.
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Though I've never used them, I was briefly working in the Atlanta Microsoft office when they were being developed. The impression I got was that MSFT was throwing all necessary money at the project to make it work. And while I may be a competitor of theirs on the Linux side of things, everyone I have ever worked with at Microsoft has been incredibly smart.
 
Mavmb said:
It is such a scramble to get paper charts when you suddenly get assigned a trip in a new area. It is not like I can go to Walmart to get them and enroute charts cant be printed.
I wish the FAA would stop requiring them for 135 pilots who have an active foreflight subscription.
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But hey I hear that you guys get that fancy UPS bridge carrot. Rejoice.
 
CFI A&P said:
Uh, I work for a 135 with approval for JeppFD & Foreflight.

What's the problem ?


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I think the problems are two fold- there are 135 outfits requiring pilots to supply their own charts and there are pilots dumb enough to go work at them in this hiring environment. Gotta be the most rediculous thing I've heard in a while, but hey, gotta get that 99 PIC time :rolleyes:
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Though I've never used them, I was briefly working in the Atlanta Microsoft office when they were being developed. The impression I got was that MSFT was throwing all necessary money at the project to make it work. And while I may be a competitor of theirs on the Linux side of things, everyone I have ever worked with at Microsoft has been incredibly smart.
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At least on the 2 and 3, the big issue with the Surface seems to be wide ranging hardware quality control.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
I'll play devils advocate for a minute. While the iPad may work just fine, the pilots (especially the old fart variety like me) may have some unique issues with electronic charts. Remember to charge the thing, remember to update it, make sure there is wifi to do so, etc, etc. It isn't like there are standardized tablets or training - I've had to figure it out for myself, as I suspect most of us have. And I still prefer the paper plates. I mostly carry both, still.

For 135 operations, IMHO, it should be company devices only with company training. I don't think that is unreasonable at all.
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Remember this, remember that etc seems a little lame. I used to be a checkairman, and found some folks with 10 or 15 revisions. What did they "forget"?

I would posit that the electronic version is safer on that alone.
 
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