The new LM-100J "Super Hercules"

RDoug

RDoug

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Didn't know that a civilian version of the C-130J was even in the works:

New Hercules freighter takes to the skies

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The 130 family is the 737 of cargo planes.

It's never going to die it's just going to evolve until we invent anti-grav, and even then it will probably be retrofitted like Doc Browns Delorean.
 
Lawman said:
The 130 family is the 737 of cargo planes.

It's never going to die it's just going to evolve until we invent anti-grav, and even then it will probably be retrofitted like Doc Browns Delorean.
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1.21 Gigawatts!!!! Great Scott!
 
Lawman said:
The 130 family is the 737 of cargo planes.

It's never going to die it's just going to evolve until we invent anti-grav, and even then it will probably be retrofitted like Doc Browns Delorean.
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Unfortunately, I think the 4 engines thing will kill it, not efficient and too much MX.
 
Soku39 said:
Unfortunately, I think the 4 engines thing will kill it, not efficient and too much MX.
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I seem to remember reading that that's exactly what made the original L-100 not sell, The military didn't care what fuel cost and had unlimited labor, the civil world not so much.
 
Soku39 said:
Unfortunately, I think the 4 engines thing will kill it, not efficient and too much MX.
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I'm sure it has its role as you can land and take off from short and unprepared runways and they're marketing it as such. I'm thinking remote oil, gas and mining among many of its applications where you might have to use helicopters or some combination of travel that's slower/more expensive to get people and freight to.
 
Soku39 said:
Unfortunately, I think the 4 engines thing will kill it, not efficient and too much MX.
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In this category, efficiency and maintenance isn't really the issue, utilization is.

With poor utilization, the cost of an aircraft doing nothing is a larger issue than per hour cost.

This model will compete with hundreds of 40 year old aircraft that are much cheaper when they are sitting on the ramp.

Likewise, LM is competing against itself by offering new wings for every C-130 model accept the A's.
 
trafficinsight said:
I seem to remember reading that that's exactly what made the original L-100 not sell, The military didn't care what fuel cost and had unlimited labor, the civil world not so much.
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I really wouldn't call MX troops unlimited at the moment...

Lawman said:
The longest 5 hours of my life were spent flying Space-A on a C-130....
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I think I deserve an iron ass award for the 8 hours I did riding the red webbing headed Westboud in the winter across the Atlantic coming home from a deployment. Y'know, jus' sayin.

Honorable mention to that contractor who rode all over Iraq with us all night when his stop was first (of four) and a sand storm precluded us from getting in. We eventually brought him up to sit on the bunk for some relief. I think he made it to where he was going the next night.

Pilot Fighter said:
Likewise, LM is competing against itself by offering new wings for every C-130 model accept the A's.
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The video of the wings foldin up on those guys pullin up after a retardant drop in a B model is more than enough for me to say, please, just buy a new plane.

srn121 said:
I'm sure it has its role as you can land and take off from short and unprepared runways and they're marketing it as such. I'm thinking remote oil, gas and mining among many of its applications where you might have to use helicopters or some combination of travel that's slower/more expensive to get people and freight to.
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So not a job I'd want anyway. Do more than enough of this stuff in the military. I feel like I'm in the Army more often that I should for being a zipper suited sun god of the USAF.

Folks, calm down, I'm joking.
 
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Soku39 said:
I think I deserve an iron ass award for the 8 hours I did riding the red webbing headed Westboud in the winter across the Atlantic coming home from a deployment. Y'know, jus' sayin.

Honorable mention to that contractor who rode all over Iraq with us all night when his stop was first (of four) and a sand storm precluded us from getting in. We eventually brought him up to sit on the bunk for some relief. I think he made it to where he was going the next night.
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My sympathies went out to some dudes a few months ago when we had some Space A guys get on one of our Hawks and literally ride the entire 6 hours around Northern Iraq only to get the last leg cancelled so they couldn't get where they were going. Then they went out the next day to do it... and the same stupid thing happened. Literally just 12 hours of riding around in a balls hot helicopter wearing body armor like the worlds crappiest sightseeing tour. They ended up just riding out on some convoy the next day.
 
Lawman said:
My sympathies went out to some dudes a few months ago when we had some Space A guys get on one of our Hawks and literally ride the entire 6 hours around Northern Iraq only to get the last leg cancelled so they couldn't get where they were going. Then they went out the next day to do it... and the same stupid thing happened. Literally just 12 hours of riding around in a balls hot helicopter wearing body armor like the worlds crappiest sightseeing tour. They ended up just riding out on some convoy the next day.
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Only C2/execution can make the chance of a roadside IED look like not such a bad option after all.
 
Soku39 said:
Only C2/execution can make the chance of a roadside IED look like not such a bad option after all.
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Honestly that's not really a problem like it used to be.

I'd convoy tomorrow if you told me that was the only way down to Baghdad to get on the rotator home without a second thought.




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