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MikeD said:
It's likely just one more bit of information, along with the other information, that makes up a case potentially linking someone to an organization with X affiliation, or a church, or mosque, etc, as you mention. It's not an analysis of the particular religion itself, its only the establishment of whether the person is part of said religion or not, that would be material to a case in a situation where it would ever be established as part of the case. At best, its supporting information, not primary case information.
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But how is a person's claimed religious affiliation supportive? What does it support? What difference does (or could) a person's religious affiliation (per se) make? Sorry if this seems like I'm pestering you. That's not my intent, and I'm not asking with an agenda. I'm really trying to understand this. So far it does not make sense to me.
 
Crop Duster said:
But how is a person's claimed religious affiliation supportive? What does it support? What difference does (or could) a person's religious affiliation (per se) make? Sorry if this seems like I'm pestering you. That's not my intent, and I'm not asking with an agenda. I'm really trying to understand this. So far it does not make sense to me.
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It's just one more piece of evidence, albeit a small one, that furthers linking a particular person with a particular group and their agenda, if they're one that supports a religious based agenda or their affiliation has to do with a particular religion. No different than establishing a link with someone having membership with X group, furthering a tie to a criminal organization that has members of the same group. It's not a smoking gun, per se, it's just another bit of evidence along with all the other evidence, when establishing a tie or link. A similar belief system or following is just one more thing that could be a very minor piece of evidence, or a more major one. Could even be used to help disprove someone's potential link to a group or organization; such as the chance that someone who is Shia-muslim being a part of Al Queda....very, very highly unlikely.\

It all depends on the individual case.
 
I may be in the minority after reading her story, but I really don't see what the drama about Mrs. Fox being detained is all about. I think she's sensationalizing the situation. She says “I have never in my life been spoken to with such insolence, treated with such disdain, with so many insults and with so much gratuitous impoliteness,” Fox said. So what were the insults? And impoliteness? We don't know because she doesn't clarify. But she received an apology anyway.

For her to say she would never return to the US over 15 minutes of questioning is ridiculous in my opinion. Who travels anywhere and would not anticipate possible unforeseen circumstances. And then she went to her room and cried about it, and felt "physically violated"? Really that says a lot about someone's mentality. A little internet research revealed this is the same lady that said, "I don't know why some people have children at all if they know that they can only take a few weeks off work.'' She called it child abuse to go back to work after having a baby. So she's not just some nice old lady who writes children books. Sound more like she needs a puppy and a safe place...
 
Derg said:
So if they ask me "boxers or briefs" or "Sir, do you dress yourself left or right?" I should rest assured as it's part of a wider investigation? :)

Personally, I don't follow any religion which makes me ineligible for public office.
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They'd probably ask you In n Out or Five Guys.
 
3green said:
I may be in the minority after reading her story, but I really don't see what the drama about Mrs. Fox being detained is all about. I think she's sensationalizing the situation. She says “I have never in my life been spoken to with such insolence, treated with such disdain, with so many insults and with so much gratuitous impoliteness,” Fox said. So what were the insults? And impoliteness? We don't know because she doesn't clarify. But she received an apology anyway.

For her to say she would never return to the US over 15 minutes of questioning is ridiculous in my opinion. Who travels anywhere and would not anticipate possible unforeseen circumstances. And then she went to her room and cried about it, and felt "physically violated"? Really that says a lot about someone's mentality. A little internet research revealed this is the same lady that said, "I don't know why some people have children at all if they know that they can only take a few weeks off work.'' She called it child abuse to go back to work after having a baby. So she's not just some nice old lady who writes children books. Sound more like she needs a puppy and a safe place...
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After reading your post, I'm going to gather that you're probably White, right?
No offense but in my experience its only ever been White people that say stupid crap like that to me, or around me. Or to people that look like me, or are generally from a disenfranchised minority group. That's it's okay to be inconvenienced for awhile, if its for the greater good of safety for all. Or that you shouldn't be scared, if you know that you didn't do anything wrong. Or why wouldn't you let the police search your car, if you knew that you had nothing to hide/illegal in there? So therefore it's your fault, that you were held up for so long. Had you just complied peacefully with their search, you probably would have been let go sooner. Or... as a former member here repeatedly said this to me. I'm okay with the cops frequently stopping you, simply because you didn't have a back bumper.

Yeah...
 
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3green said:
I may be in the minority after reading her story, but I really don't see what the drama about Mrs. Fox being detained is all about. I think she's sensationalizing the situation. She says “I have never in my life been spoken to with such insolence, treated with such disdain, with so many insults and with so much gratuitous impoliteness,” Fox said. So what were the insults? And impoliteness? We don't know because she doesn't clarify. But she received an apology anyway.

For her to say she would never return to the US over 15 minutes of questioning is ridiculous in my opinion. Who travels anywhere and would not anticipate possible unforeseen circumstances. And then she went to her room and cried about it, and felt "physically violated"? Really that says a lot about someone's mentality. A little internet research revealed this is the same lady that said, "I don't know why some people have children at all if they know that they can only take a few weeks off work.'' She called it child abuse to go back to work after having a baby. So she's not just some nice old lady who writes children books. Sound more like she needs a puppy and a safe place...
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Rare occurence versus decades of occurrences.

Someone handing you their bag expecting you to be a skycap might be a rare oddity, but to me who has it happen often, there's going to be a different level of response.
 
I have very unique last name. It's hyphenated. I've been detained, in uniform, coming back to the US, from working a flight because they are after someone with a similar name. It happens.
 
I've only ever been hassled a couple times.

1) Was when I was making frequent trips to visit my older brother in Amsterdam. Almost every time the guy would look at the screen (I'd assume showing my travel history) and then send me to agriculture screening.

2) One time in Canada I was selected for extra screening. Went into the other room with my bags and the guy was like "what are you doing here? You're crew. You can go right through."
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
After reading your post, I'm going to gather that you're probably White, right?
No offense but in my experience its only ever been White people that say stupid crap like that to me, or around me.
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Why does my race matter with my opinion? And to answer your ridiculous and racist comment, NO I'm am not WHITE. I'm sorry Max, your statement saying I must be "white" says more about you than it does me. It's called having an opinion and every human being has them, not just anyone specific race. Sorry if it doesn't fit the narrative you've predisposed yourself too.

I've a made a rational statement that we don't know all the facts about happened in her case and an apology was still issued for her being questioned for 15 minutes. I have been stopped by the police in traffic stops that lasted longer than her questioning and I sure didn't get an apology. And for the record I never brought her race, preferences, political affiliation into my argument. I don't think those things matter, I think her actions do.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
in my experience its only ever been White people that say stupid crap like that
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racism, n Prejudice based on race.
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I'm half asian, non US born, speak with accent etc, probably qualify as a "minority" by most standards. FWIW I agree with 3green completely. Mrs Fox is playing victim to score some free publicity here. Now the French historian's fiasco is a different story.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I've only ever been hassled a couple times.

1) Was when I was making frequent trips to visit my older brother in Amsterdam. Almost every time the guy would look at the screen (I'd assume showing my travel history) and then send me to agriculture screening.

2) One time in Canada I was selected for extra screening. Went into the other room with my bags and the guy was like "what are you doing here? You're crew. You can go right through."
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I was pulled into secondary in ATL for asking who I kept getting the black x on my document. They went through all of my stuff. I just wanted to yell at them "SAME TEAM FARVA! SAME TEAM!!!"
 
I had a CBP agent completely search the airplane in KGPI, coming from Canada...

I've never had that happen before. Ima go on national news and complain about how I was treated.
 
Dugie8 said:
I had a CBP agent completely search the airplane in KGPI, coming from Canada...

I've never had that happen before. Ima go on national news and complain about how I was treated.
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I've been getting that a lot lately in places it never happened before.
What I hear from the locals (both civvy and official) on both sides of the border in the areas where it's happening is it's the Canadians' push-back response to the new US actions. Petty and counterproductive, but probably understandable. American residents of Mexico are feeling similar stings from Mex officials there. If America squandered international goodwill after 911 and the 2008 FINMELT, our current approach (I hesitate to dignify the current mish-mash as 'policy') sure isn't helping.
 
Crop Duster said:
I've been getting that a lot lately in places it never happened before.
What I hear from the locals (both civvy and official) on both sides of the border in the areas where it's happening is it's the Canadians' push-back response to the new US actions. Petty and counterproductive, but probably understandable. American residents of Mexico are feeling similar stings from Mex officials there. If America squandered international goodwill after 911 and the 2008 FINMELT, our current approach (I hesitate to dignify the current mish-mash as 'policy') sure isn't helping.
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That's definitely one aspect of our new "policies" that I'm not looking forward to. Right now a US Passport is pretty much a key to the world. You can go almost anywhere with little hassle. That's going to change.
 
Derg said:
Rare occurence versus decades of occurrences.

Someone handing you their bag expecting you to be a skycap might be a rare oddity, but to me who has it happen often, there's going to be a different level of response.
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One of the big challenges facing humans is their inability to learn about something, or even in some cases acknowledge something's existence, without having personal experience with it... until it affects them personally.
Cases in point: Acknowledging and/or accepting gays until a family member or close friend comes out. Nancy Reagan's resistance to stem-cell research until Ronny got Alzheimer's. Rush Limbaugh on the Opioid problem until he went to rehab. Suburban folk's acceptance of the Opioid problem until Rush Limbaugh admitted going to rehab. Acknowledging black people problems until you turn black.
Yes, Virginia, these are generalizations, and exceptions do exist. NEVER use superlatives! ;)
 
mshunter said:
I have very unique last name. It's hyphenated. I've been detained, in uniform, coming back to the US, from working a flight because they are after someone with a similar name. It happens.
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Like that dude who spent several years in Guantanamo cause he had a similar name to a suspected terrorist. It happens.
 
mshunter said:
I have very unique last name. It's hyphenated. I've been detained, in uniform, coming back to the US, from working a flight because they are after someone with a similar name. It happens.
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Hmm. I would think if you had a unique name you would never be bothered by false positives induced by duplicate surnames. Especially if your name is very unique since then you'd be a Unicorn. ;)
 
NovemberEcho said:
Like that dude who spent several years in Guantanamo cause he had a similar name to a suspected terrorist. It happens.
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Perfect example of it happens. And it will never stop happening. We'll ramp up with things like this, and they'll be public outcry. Then, we'll get lax, and something big will happen.

As unfortunate as both are, things like this usually ebb and flow. Your not wrong at all with your POV on this. But, for the guy that was there who shouldn't have been, there are 12 as of June of last year that were released, who are directly responsible for more terrorist attacks. Let me be clear, I fully agree with your sentiments about this. One mistake is one to many. But it does go both ways, agreed? And we will likely never eliminate those mistakes as well.

I dated a girl who was an MP at Gitmo. She wasn't allowed to say much, but what she did say, for both sides, is pretty disturbing.
 
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