Black United Pilots Claim Discrimination

Screaming_Emu said:
Aaaah...I get it.

I thought that was going a different route. The route of "well if I had boobs or a tan I'd be at a major by now!"
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Wasn't United forced to hire more women and minorities after they lost to an EEOC lawsuit or something back in the 90s?


Screaming_Emu said:
I was flying with an angry white guy earlier this trip. He was like "I'm sick of OBAP and WIA...where is the White Guy's Pilot Association."

I told him "Uh...I believe you work there already."
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I think his primary complaint is that within "his" organization he's just a dime a dozen, finds it harder to check a box that isn't there, etc.

Still, that shouldn't mean a blanket assault party on OBAP or WAI because those groups actually do try and help members of their group to try and succeed in aviation, provide them mentors, etc.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Wasn't United forced to hire more women and minorities after they lost to an EEOC lawsuit or something back in the 90s?
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Speaking of this topic...does anyone else find it interesting that of all the ethnic groups you could check off on a job app, Native American is the only one you actually have to provide proof of or be an active member within the community. Interesting...
 
Not to stir, I mean from a purely factual standpoint. United had an issue back in the day (80s/90s or so) when they lost some lawsuit under EEOC and through a decree had to hire (more) minorities.
 
Crop Duster said:
No, man. You'd need both boobs AND a tan for the majors. ;)
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I think mainly you just need to be a decent human being who can kinda fly, oh and you have to try.

"Put in your app?"

"Nah not yet, maybe I'll start updating my log book..."

Discrimination is a thing that I guarantee happens but acting like a victim still isn't going to get you anywhere.

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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Not to stir, I mean from a purely factual standpoint. United had an issue back in the day (80s/90s or so) when they lost some lawsuit under EEOC and through a decree had to hire (more) minorities.
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No, you do mean to stir the pot. :ooh: That is the past...lets just stick with current news. Unless we are talking about playlists. I am all about music from the past right now. :D
 
trafficinsight said:
I think mainly you just need to be a decent human being who can kinda fly, oh and you have to try.

"Put in your app?"

"Nah not yet, maybe I'll start updating my log book..."

Discrimination is a thing that I guarantee happens but acting like a victim still isn't going to get you anywhere.

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So much truth to that. So many of the guys complaining about minorities getting hired are just looking for a scapegoat for their own lack of effort.

Hey, that sounds like a certain presidential candidate
 
Luigi said:
That's kind of stupid. Of course the past matters during discussions like these.
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Not when the claim now is not EEOC. It is with respect to promotions and harassment. EEOC is different. I am curious how promotions are affected in a job with seniority, but I think that harassment claims certainly need to be addressed. No one wants to work in a toxic environment and if that is indeed happening, I hope that those bringing this forward are able to stop anything like that from ever happening again.
 
Avgirl said:
Not when the claim now is not EEOC. It is with respect to promotions and harassment. EEOC is different. I am curious how promotions are affected in a job with seniority, but I think that harassment claims certainly need to be addressed. No one wants to work in a toxic environment and if that is indeed happening, I hope that those bringing this forward are able to stop anything like that from ever happening again.
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The only promotion guaranteed by seniority is the eventual upgrade to Captain. Everything else (checkairman, instructor, chief pilot, assistant chief pilot, etc) has nothing to do with seniority. Or rather, obtaining seniority doesn't get a person that position automatically.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
The only promotion guaranteed by seniority is the eventual upgrade to Captain. Everything else (checkairman, instructor, chief pilot, assistant chief pilot, etc) has nothing to do with seniority. Or rather, obtaining seniority doesn't get a person that position automatically.
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Fair with the seniority thing. But, they don't really seem to mention that as the reason for this lawsuit. It seems like the issue is harassment. They mention that there is discrimination where they won't even hire black pilots. Like so many lawsuits out there, I think they are trying to embellish things on that front...because how many applicants are there? What percentage of those are hired, and why aren't they hired? It is easy to say that there is discrimination when your applicant pool to choose from isn't very diverse in the first place.
 
Those angry white guy pilots have probably been around while and tired of living through political correctness and watching some women (Frontier/Delta) and minorities (this article)waltzing right in and suing.

I love the PC responses on here.
 
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