Yet another thread about interview techniques.

There's even this thread:



So, it's happening everywhere.
I'd never leave AA for any passenger airline. My main concern is with US airlines over the next 30-40 years. My dilemma is deciding which segment of the industry is better suited to face the inevitable challenges the future holds.
 
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So your answer would be "I'm in a base (aircraft?) that only flies (whatever) airline so I haven't afforded that opportunity yet". Let go of the "tiers". They're the jackalope of the recruiting wold.
Actually we fly all three out of this base, just the UA number is so much higher. I do have a AA later this month but haven't been awarded DL. that and an aircraft issue. 8)
 
Did anyone post this?

Too much thread to read and I have a job. Aircraft Spruce has this for $21.50

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Ok guys. If you're interviewing for a job, for sweet little baby Jesus's sake know something about the company. My first question is ALWAYS so what do you know about the company. I like to determine right out of the gate what the applicants motivation and preparation is.

Know something, and if it's a phone interview, have google open and read if you have to. It's an open book test in that case!


/rant

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Decided to keep it generic, given the public nature of the forum.
I'm not arguing with you. It usually is the first question. And not just in aviation. But it's such a tricky question. Responding to it kind of feels like responding to a bad pick up line from an otherwise attractive object of potential affection. If you really know the company and start talking about substantive issues, you're going to appear threatening. If you read back the bullet points from the company web site and Wikipedia, you're going to sound (or at least feel) completely stilted. So you find yourself left with sycophantic pandering to what you think the interviewer wants to hear, which seems equally unproductive and leaves you feeling dirty. It just seems an awkward and largely unnecessary question. I mean, do folks really apply to companies about which they have no clue? And if they don't know anything, won't that become blatantly obvious over the course of the interview?
 
I'm not arguing with you. It usually is the first question. And not just in aviation. But it's such a tricky question. Responding to it kind of feels like responding to a bad pick up line from an otherwise attractive object of potential affection. If you really know the company and start talking about substantive issues, you're going to appear threatening. If you read back the bullet points from the company web site and Wikipedia, you're going to sound (or at least feel) completely stilted. So you find yourself left with sycophantic pandering to what you think the interviewer wants to hear, which seems equally unproductive and leaves you feeling dirty. It just seems an awkward and largely unnecessary question. I mean, do folks really apply to companies about which they have no clue? And if they don't know anything, won't that become blatantly obvious over the course of the interview?

It's a fair question. No one is really looking for a drill-down of bullet points and factoids.
 
I'm not arguing with you. It usually is the first question. And not just in aviation. But it's such a tricky question. Responding to it kind of feels like responding to a bad pick up line from an otherwise attractive object of potential affection. If you really know the company and start talking about substantive issues, you're going to appear threatening. If you read back the bullet points from the company web site and Wikipedia, you're going to sound (or at least feel) completely stilted. So you find yourself left with sycophantic pandering to what you think the interviewer wants to hear, which seems equally unproductive and leaves you feeling dirty. It just seems an awkward and largely unnecessary question. I mean, do folks really apply to companies about which they have no clue? And if they don't know anything, won't that become blatantly obvious over the course of the interview?
I prefer to phrase it as "what about our company and what we do interests you?"

I interviewed a potential account manager last week that couldn't answer that question. It was her second interview with us yet she still didn't know anything about what we do. We went with another candidate.
 
Even an answer like "strong domestic presence, the top US carrier across the Atlantic with a strengthening Asian presence" would be sufficient if you're applying at my shop.

Keep it simple, make it complex, it's really an opportunity to showcase your own personality.
 
Anyone else have any questions? I think I'm getting OCD refreshing this page!
College completion time. I know it's been gone over, but as of now, I have 96 credits, and not even an Associates. Military / Kids / Life / etc all happened. How much does that negatively affect a candidate? (Still working on finishing said degree...in what, I'm not sure yet.)
 
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Very true. But there's still a difference between being in a pool and then taking the first class date, versus starting at a legacy airline, being in training or even on reserve / on the line, and then leaving for the other legacy that gives a class date.

How do you resign from Delta to go to another legacy. That's got to be an awkward CP office moment.
You give two weeks notice....just like everywhere else. I know multiple people that have done it in the last 3 months
 
Doug, as well as all of the other in the know here, thanks for this vital info.
With that said, I've a few questions.

What if person works for a carrier who's name rhymes with -so wet?

What if another person who worked at the same carrier was let go because a flight safety contracted instructor lied on person claiming the individual threatened him? (1 of many horror stories at so wet)
How do the majors look on the regional bull fecality?

And back to me, if I left my carrier to get 135 TPIC how would that stack up? I mean fly cargo then apply at widget??
 
Doug, as well as all of the other in the know here, thanks for this vital info.
With that said, I've a few questions.

What if person works for a carrier who's name rhymes with -so wet?

What if another person who worked at the same carrier was let go because a flight safety contracted instructor lied on person claiming the individual threatened him? (1 of many horror stories at so wet)
How do the majors look on the regional bull fecality?

And back to me, if I left my carrier to get 135 TPIC how would that stack up? I mean fly cargo then apply at widget??

So . . . following this tangential story . . . ONE person worked for GoJet. We don't know what became of that person from your description. Only that said person worked for GoJet--in some capacity. Yet ANOTHER person also worked for GoJet, but was "let go" because an FSI instructor "claimed" that person threatened them.

And then, "back to (you)." You left your carrier (also GoJet?) to get 135 TPIC?

I'd say, despite the Rube Goldberg machinations of this question, you're golden.

Best of luck.

I guess we really are the company that we keep.
 
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Wow...

Do you like beer? Would it not suck ass to spend a couple days on the road with you? No DUIs? Cool, you're hired.

We're flying airplanes, not running for office. These interviews and application processes are getting ridiculous. The absolute worst people I have ever worked with know how to play the game and manipulate the HR reps along with the hiring pilots.

No one buys the culture, we pretend to in the interview and on the line to make more money flying bigger airplanes. It's shallow...

I could honestly give a crap about your companies history or culture. Does the check cash? Cool. Want me to make customers feel warm and fuzzy? You got it boss. You're paying the salary. Do I really care about your culture and mission statement for the shareholders? Not one bit.

I guess that's why I'm slinging freight instead of flying shiny jets though...
 
So . . . following this tangential story . . . ONE person worked for GoJet. We don't know what became of that person from your description. Only that said person worked for GoJet--in some capacity. Yet ANOTHER person also worked for GoJet, but was "let go" because an FSI instructor "claimed" that person threatened them.

And then, "back to (you)." You left your carrier (also GoJet?) to get 135 TPIC?

I'd say, despite the Rube Goldberg machinations of this question, you're golden.

Best of luck.

I guess we really are the company that we keep.

I bet your a joy to fly with, do you always make assumptions and assume the friend person is the original poster? You betray your prejudice as well as your lack of maturity. Sorry if I know people that work there. I am looking at leaving my carrier since upgrades have slowed waaaaaay down. Let make this a little more comprehensible for you.

1st question is how do the majors look at someone who works for go jet? (Individual still there)

2nd question if a FSI instructors lies and says a person threatened him, aside from legal action, will the majors take a pass on the individual? (Individual terminated)

3rd are the majors aware of the regional bull fecality and how does this factor in?

And lastly I have the oppurtunity to get TPIC time rather than wait years before an upgrade. I am just looking to speed the process up, and no I don't work for and will not consider blow jet, but I do know people that work there and it appears they are still up to the same old tricks.

Aside from me advising the individual toward legal action, I was simply asking a question.

How does Rube Goldberg even apply in this case? Dealing with you I can see how Wilhelm Wundt applies and maybe a little Pavlov, you know, stimuli producing this response. Hey hope you work out your issues.
 
I bet your a joy to fly with, do you always make assumptions and assume the friend person is the original poster? You betray your prejudice as well as your lack of maturity. Sorry if I know people that work there. I am looking at leaving my carrier since upgrades have slowed waaaaaay down. Let make this a little more comprehensible for you.

1st question is how do the majors look at someone who works for go jet? (Individual still there)

2nd question if a FSI instructors lies and says a person threatened him, aside from legal action, will the majors take a pass on the individual? (Individual terminated)

3rd are the majors aware of the regional bull fecality and how does this factor in?

And lastly I have the oppurtunity to get TPIC time rather than wait years before an upgrade. I am just looking to speed the process up, and no I don't work for and will not consider blow jet, but I do know people that work there and it appears they are still up to the same old tricks.

Aside from me advising the individual toward legal action, I was simply asking a question.

How does Rube Goldberg even apply in this case? Dealing with you I can see how Wilhelm Wundt applies and maybe a little Pavlov, you know, stimuli producing this response. Hey hope you work out your issues.

Sorry, I didn't--and still don't--completely understand what you're asking. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I think you're asking a few questions for a friend or multiple friends and then one or two for yourself. I'm tryng to reconcile where the question about TPIC fits in with the GoJet questions as you don't sound like you would consider working there.

I have a special place in my heart for GoJet--at least the group of pilots that left Trans States when GoJet was started. They collectively and individually stabbed an entire pilot group in the back for exceptionally selfish reasons. I wouldn't call them scabs, but they're not far from it in my book. I know many people have since gone to work there who had nothing to do with the original group. Some were even furloughed from United, et al when they began working there. I wish them no ill will and my previous post belied that sentiment and for that I apologize to them, and you.

Anyway, in the interest of being helpful and as a mea culpa for being admittedly crass in my previous post, I'll attempt to answer your questions.

1.) In spite of my personal bias against GoJet, I don't think that majors look poorly upon someone that works at GoJet simply because they work there. I think they're all looking at the whole package and where you work is just part of that package. Certainly other airlines have better reputations for better training, etc. But I don't know if that is affecting hiring THAT much. Certainly their pilots are getting hired at majors. I think some majors (JetBlue?) posts lists of candidates in the pilot lounge and current pilots are welcome to recommend NOT hiring problem children. I would think that any Waterskiers that were around Trans States circa 2005-06 would likely speak up if they saw any of the original G7 clowns that circumvented their seniority when they left Trans States for G7. I believe most of those guys are still at G7--either by coincidence or because of this fact. Doubt it's by choice.

2.) I would think that a termination for that reason would be pretty insurmountable in nearly any hiring environment. I know a lot of the FSI guys and I know how their corporate relationships with airlines work. I'm not calling your friend a liar, but I can't imagine a scenario where a third party instructor would lie to get someone fired for an offense as agregious as threatening them. Again, not saying it didn't or couldn't happen, but if I'm skeptical, imagine how skeptical a hiring board would be about this type of thing. If it DID happen, it really speaks to the stability of the candidate and becomes a liability issue that I can't imagine a major airline would care to undertake.

Regarding potential legal action, I would think that the Teamsters would have grieved his firing. If he was a probationary employee in training they may not have--although most ALPA shops typically grieve even probationary firings unless there is some serious cause in the firing. I'm not sure of the practice at Teamsters, but if that's something they routinely do then the fact that they may not have in this case is probably quite telling.

3.) If you're asking what I think you are, I'm pretty sure the majors know that certain regionals have reputations for a ready, shoot, aim approach to firings. That being said, I do not think that that would in any way salvage the prospects of the individual in the previous question.

4.) The TPIC thing has been talked about at length on here. Seems it's less and less important. If you're at a 121 carrier, I wouldn't leave the 121 world for TPIC. If you're not already doing so, I'd concentrate on the other things that seem to be getting people hired. Training/Standards work, volunteering, union stuff, etc.

I AM pretty fun to fly with. When I was a captain, I'd even let the FOs fly at least one leg almost every trip ;)

Best of luck.
 
Sorry, I didn't--and still don't--completely understand what you're asking. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I think you're asking a few questions for a friend or multiple friends and then one or two for yourself. I'm tryng to reconcile where the question about TPIC fits in with the GoJet questions as you don't sound like you would consider working there.

I have a special place in my heart for GoJet--at least the group of pilots that left Trans States when GoJet was started. They collectively and individually stabbed an entire pilot group in the back for exceptionally selfish reasons. I wouldn't call them scabs, but they're not far from it in my book. I know many people have since gone to work there who had nothing to do with the original group. Some were even furloughed from United, et al when they began working there. I wish them no ill will and my previous post belied that sentiment and for that I apologize to them, and you.

Anyway, in the interest of being helpful and as a mea culpa for being admittedly crass in my previous post, I'll attempt to answer your questions.

1.) In spite of my personal bias against GoJet, I don't think that majors look poorly upon someone that works at GoJet simply because they work there. I think they're all looking at the whole package and where you work is just part of that package. Certainly other airlines have better reputations for better training, etc. But I don't know if that is affecting hiring THAT much. Certainly their pilots are getting hired at majors. I think some majors (JetBlue?) posts lists of candidates in the pilot lounge and current pilots are welcome to recommend NOT hiring problem children. I would think that any Waterskiers that were around Trans States circa 2005-06 would likely speak up if they saw any of the original G7 clowns that circumvented their seniority when they left Trans States for G7. I believe most of those guys are still at G7--either by coincidence or because of this fact. Doubt it's by choice.

2.) I would think that a termination for that reason would be pretty insurmountable in nearly any hiring environment. I know a lot of the FSI guys and I know how their corporate relationships with airlines work. I'm not calling your friend a liar, but I can't imagine a scenario where a third party instructor would lie to get someone fired for an offense as agregious as threatening them. Again, not saying it didn't or couldn't happen, but if I'm skeptical, imagine how skeptical a hiring board would be about this type of thing. If it DID happen, it really speaks to the stability of the candidate and becomes a liability issue that I can't imagine a major airline would care to undertake.

Regarding potential legal action, I would think that the Teamsters would have grieved his firing. If he was a probationary employee in training they may not have--although most ALPA shops typically grieve even probationary firings unless there is some serious cause in the firing. I'm not sure of the practice at Teamsters, but if that's something they routinely do then the fact that they may not have in this case is probably quite telling.

3.) If you're asking what I think you are, I'm pretty sure the majors know that certain regionals have reputations for a ready, shoot, aim approach to firings. That being said, I do not think that that would in any way salvage the prospects of the individual in the previous question.

4.) The TPIC thing has been talked about at length on here. Seems it's less and less important. If you're at a 121 carrier, I wouldn't leave the 121 world for TPIC. If you're not already doing so, I'd concentrate on the other things that seem to be getting people hired. Training/Standards work, volunteering, union stuff, etc.

I AM pretty fun to fly with. When I was a captain, I'd even let the FOs fly at least one leg almost every trip ;)

Best of luck.

Man, thanks for your answer, I appreciate it very much and you know, I am sure your are a pleasure to fly with. Thanks again for informing me and the others whom you have helped out a great deal.
 
There was a pilot in my SJI indoc class who decided to go purple before starting sims. This is going to become a common occurrence in the next 5-10 years, and I think the amount of choice that pilots will have in where to work is fantastic.
 
Wow...

Do you like beer? Would it not suck ass to spend a couple days on the road with you? No DUIs? Cool, you're hired.

We're flying airplanes, not running for office. These interviews and application processes are getting ridiculous. The absolute worst people I have ever worked with know how to play the game and manipulate the HR reps along with the hiring pilots.

No one buys the culture, we pretend to in the interview and on the line to make more money flying bigger airplanes. It's shallow...

I could honestly give a crap about your companies history or culture. Does the check cash? Cool. Want me to make customers feel warm and fuzzy? You got it boss. You're paying the salary. Do I really care about your culture and mission statement for the shareholders? Not one bit.

I guess that's why I'm slinging freight instead of flying shiny jets though...
I know you probably don't care to start a convo based on another thread...

How are you selling your present experience otherwise? The Metro time is fun for ribbing 1900 and RJ guys at the bar, but there are actually some things that are sellable from it if you tame it down from a bar setting. There are plenty of *old guys* out there that remember the plane and how "interesting" it is, but if you're smug about it, it's not going to go well. I know, coming from one of the late night resident trolls of JC, this is going to fall on deaf ears, but I've seen the type at least start a pretty serious networking opportunity many times.

"you like beer? Are you not a butthead?" describes most pilots out there. I actually haven't come across someone I couldn't deal with for 4 days yet. I've come across plenty that I definitely wouldn't allow near anything I value around my house, but in the work environment, they're OK enough.
 
I literally have no idea what the point is you're trying to make. At some point I'll try to market myself more but I kind of had and will have golden handcuffs at the old and new job. I made to much money flying air ambo and will flying the Bro also. At some point I'm sure I'll make the jump to the next level, LCC, Charter, or Cargo airline. Right now my bank account is thanking me though.

As for my metro PIC time, that crap is useless. I can't give it away. Go fly right seat in a jet. That time and networking (at an airline) is much more valuable.


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