Virgin Atlantic Considers low cost off shoot/Delta impact?

Delta's fragmentation language is... kind of weak. It requires the company transfer some pilots along with the aircraft (although no number is given). It also requires that that company acquiring the aircraft offer employment to a certain number of Delta pilots. And finally it requires that those pilots that do get employment are integrated via Association merger policy or Allegheny-Mohawk.

Of course in this case, the pilots wouldn't necessarily have work rights (if the planes are based in the UK) and US Labor Law (AM) wouldn't apply for integration, although this being a new company, they could do whatever they wanted as far as seniority lists.
 
BobDDuck said:
Delta's fragmentation language is... kind of weak. It requires the company transfer some pilots along with the aircraft (although no number is given). It also requires that that company acquiring the aircraft offer employment to a certain number of Delta pilots. And finally it requires that those pilots that do get employment are integrated via Association merger policy or Allegheny-Mohawk.

Of course in this case, the pilots wouldn't necessarily have work rights (if the planes are based in the UK) and US Labor Law (AM) wouldn't apply for integration, although this being a new company, they could do whatever they wanted as far as seniority lists.
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kind of like in the failed TA where throwing the Delta logo on something only required the MEC chairman to approve? They don't ask for things unless they want them for a specific reason
 
BobDDuck said:
Delta's fragmentation language is... kind of weak. It requires the company transfer some pilots along with the aircraft (although no number is given). It also requires that that company acquiring the aircraft offer employment to a certain number of Delta pilots. And finally it requires that those pilots that do get employment are integrated via Association merger policy or Allegheny-Mohawk.

Of course in this case, the pilots wouldn't necessarily have work rights (if the planes are based in the UK) and US Labor Law (AM) wouldn't apply for integration, although this being a new company, they could do whatever they wanted as far as seniority lists.
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I doubt they'll find UK labour laws to be better for the company than those in the US... By any margin.

This is the part that interests me about NAI. Sure, Ireland is cheaper to base in than Norway, who have some of the most labour-friendly laws in the world, but Ireland is still a whole lot better than the USA.
 
Seggy said:
Does anyone know how would the Delta transfer of asset clause effect this potential new carrier? That is of course of this Virgin Atlantic low cost off shoot does get their aircraft from Delta as per the article.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29...ntic-considers-new-low-cost-gatwick-offshoot/

Also, #DENYNAI or you will see a lot more of these companies pop up...
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Oh lord, the internet scooping the internet:

Clarification Regarding Media Reports:

Low Cost International Operation

A recent media article stated that Delta Air Lines might create a low-cost A330 operation to counter the potential growth of low-cost, long-haul airlines. The article quoted a senior Delta executive as saying that Delta A330s taken from the mainline fleet would give codeshare partner Virgin Atlantic an edge against encroachment by Norwegian Air International.

Following Chairman Malone’s conversations with incoming CEO Ed Bastian, assurances were given that there are categorically no plans to execute any transfer of Delta assets to any low-cost carrier operation.

According to Delta management, “Delta has no plans to start a low-cost trans-Atlantic operation. Delta remains competitive on the trans-Atlantic and in so doing continually evaluates the markets it serves. Delta operates nonstop service to London Heathrow and Manchester from the U.S. and will start nonstop service to Edinburgh in May 2016.”
 
BobDDuck said:
Delta's fragmentation language is... kind of weak. It requires the company transfer some pilots along with the aircraft (although no number is given). It also requires that that company acquiring the aircraft offer employment to a certain number of Delta pilots. And finally it requires that those pilots that do get employment are integrated via Association merger policy or Allegheny-Mohawk.

Of course in this case, the pilots wouldn't necessarily have work rights (if the planes are based in the UK) and US Labor Law (AM) wouldn't apply for integration, although this being a new company, they could do whatever they wanted as far as seniority lists.
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Actually, our JV scope language and fragmentation policy would make this a non starter. However, the MEC and management have already discussed this, and the company categorically denies that this is even an option. Sounds like a certain SVP got some 'splainin to do to the boss for spooling up the pilots.
 
Cptnchia said:
Actually, our JV scope language and fragmentation policy would make this a non starter. However, the MEC and management have already discussed this, and the company categorically denies that this is even an option. Sounds like a certain SVP got some 'splainin to do to the boss for spooling up the pilots.
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Sadly this would have nothing to do with your JV language, other than it would count towards the total ASMs that weren't being operated by Delta.

Your fragmentation policy (unless there is an LOA that isn't in the body of the contract) wouldn't help you much here.

Either way, it's a good thing they clarified that this wasn't happening.
 
Cptnchia said:
@Derg Doh! Beat me by a minute!
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In the face… IN THE FACE!

People have been jumpy as of late. You should hear the people in Detroit buying up Bombardier stock because the announcement was coming wednesday. I mean thursday… I mean friday… maybe over the weekend… Monday for sure, but it got delayed until tuesday, but just heart it was… (rinse, repeat)
 
Derg said:
In the face… IN THE FACE!

People have been jumpy as of late. You should hear the people in Detroit buying up Bombardier stock because the announcement was coming wednesday. I mean thursday… I mean friday… maybe over the weekend… Monday for sure, but it got delayed until tuesday, but just heart it was… (rinse, repeat)
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It's not just Detroit..@ian

You'd think he would've learned after taking bidding advice from someone on probation....
 
Cptnchia said:
Y'all better sell before tomorrow's announcement that we're getting boeings or airbuses!
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You're right that we're likely also getting Airbuses. Chances are slim to none that a Cseries order isn't made by Southernjets.
 
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