NickH
Uber Driver
Want to bet most of the purchasers are significantly over 180lbs.
Want to bet most of the purchasers are significantly over 180lbs.
z987k
Well-Known Member
I mean I guess if you take the second seat out to save some weight, since for all practical purposes, this is a 1 seat airplane anyways. That's maybe 30lbs? So 460lbs - the 250lb fat guy that can afford this thing gives you 31 gallons of gas and about 440nm straight line with reserves. That... works. Just don't bring any bags and plan to do all of your flying by yourself.
GolfChuck
Trustworthy Source
This is the problem with all light sports, not just this aircraft...build and certify a plane to a cookie-cutter spec and ignore it's actual engineered capabilities. RIP C162
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Is any LSA useful or practical?
z987k
Well-Known Member
Not really, but this one is particularly bad as the empty weight is rather high.
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Taking the seat out probably violates the contract!
After all, all the marcom shows a dude and a hotty reposed on the deck with the gull-wings open drinking wine from long stems while Icon floats serenely on a lake (usually with mountains in the mid-distance). So taking the seat out is going to violate the whole marketing ethos.
Also, you forgot to factor in the weight of the wine.
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NickH
Uber Driver
Taking the seat out probably violates the contract!
After all, all the marcom shows a dude and a hotty reposed on the deck with the gull-wings open drinking wine from long stems while Icon floats serenely on a lake (usually with mountains in the mid-distance). So taking the seat out is going to violate the whole marketing ethos.
Also, you forgot to factor in the weight of the wine.
Ah, but that assumes that they flew there. It's a toy to pose with, not actually use.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
I would like to put those Silicon Valley bros that designed this hunk of junk through a season of flying working airplanes just to see the confusion and bafflement.
T/O w/FSII
Well-Known Member
Dudes...this is a toy. It's designed to be towed behind the family SUV up to the lake to take friends around for a few minutes at a time. Not actually GO ANYWHERE. It's literally a jetski with wings. You don't load your whole family in a jetski and go cross country down a lake do you? No. You take the boat.
Sapper
Well-Known Member
This reads like a really bad timeshare contract that you hear people complaining about. Because of this "agreement", and how this company is leveraging people to sign at the last minute after having their deposits tied up for years, I hope ICON's "brand image" achieves the same status of a really bad timeshare.
Tyler Pinkerton
Well-Known Member
Me and my brother were really interested in an Icon for a toy, but I would never sign their agreement.
6000hr or 30 year lifespan and after that it has to be scrapped?!? Airframe Overhaul's at 2000hr intervals and All MX to be done by Icon?!?!
If I want to sell it, Icon has to approve the purchaser and I have to pay icon $2,000 to do so?!?!
They are out of their •ing mind!
6000hr or 30 year lifespan and after that it has to be scrapped?!? Airframe Overhaul's at 2000hr intervals and All MX to be done by Icon?!?!
If I want to sell it, Icon has to approve the purchaser and I have to pay icon $2,000 to do so?!?!
They are out of their •ing mind!
gne in prog
Well-Known Member
“All it’s doing is trying to put the responsibility where it belongs,” Hawkins said. “We believe in extreme personal responsibility … we also believe that the vast majority of people actually believe that, too. If you don’t like that philosophy … we don’t want a relationship with you.”
But they don't think the buyer is responsible enough to sell it without their approval. "Sell" seems like the wrong term, "transfer the lease" seems more accurate.
But they don't think the buyer is responsible enough to sell it without their approval. "Sell" seems like the wrong term, "transfer the lease" seems more accurate.
hook_dupin
Well-Known Member
I think Icon sees themselves as not selling to current pilots.
Instead, they're selling the winged jet-skis to Russian & Chinese bazillionaires. The US market is tiny, but has the risk of taking down the company. I think they're trying to find a way to target the foreigners while keeping out of the domestic market.
Instead, they're selling the winged jet-skis to Russian & Chinese bazillionaires. The US market is tiny, but has the risk of taking down the company. I think they're trying to find a way to target the foreigners while keeping out of the domestic market.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
One of the reasons I left my last job is the Falcon 900 owner was getting and Icon and I was the only pilot with a CFI.
Nope.
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Nope.
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BEEF SUPREME
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Sorry I'm LOLing so hard at this right now. You hit the nail on the head but let me tell you what the response from the typical owner pilot would be.
I only need 5 minutes or less for reserve I can land anywhere on the lake.
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killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Wait. I don't understand. Please explain?
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
There's a certain degree of Schadenfreude in watching the New Creatorz buy a pretendo-commodity which embodies the spirit of all of the warnings that have been made about the "new" (nothing new about attempting to illegally control commerce, contrary to popular belief) industrialism. I keep waiting for Silicon Valley to pillory Peter Thiel,
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
One ugly human trait that is nearly always consistent and is highly associated with air disasters is assigning blame.
I'm the kind of CFI that has worked for months to fix students that were "unsalvageable" but I'll tell you straight up "nope you just are not capable of that."
I didn't want the be the bag man. The guy left holding when you get rolled on. I've seen enough wealthy idiots with a new toy to know when a good time to bail is.
A vivid memory is helping a newly minted pilot push his turbine converted P210 into his hangar. I was a brand new CFI and of course wanted turbine time. This pilot was sold that his aircraft had so much power it "couldn't stall." He was killed in his aircraft with two others a month or so later.
I've seen stuff like that happen enough times to see when a product and a personality combine to create a pilot that feels he is invincible. Macho hazardous - isn't that what the impotent FAA calls it? We have all seen it we joke about the 'chute on the Cirrus and the plastic dot com killer.
The v tail Doctor killer was no different and provides us with an interesting look at social demographics as well. The 1%er Jetski is the same thing.
I saw this coming for ICON.The mix of: client that believes the claim the "aircraft can't stall, who can not be bothered to at least obtain a private license, an impotent and utterly worthless regulatory body and a versatile lightweight short range seaplane all add up to one thing.
Disaster
Now the company is tightening screws to make sure they don't get a bad name.
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Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
One of my friends - who decries (not unjustifiably) the booth-babe/Silicon Valley brah culture - points out (correctly) that brahs are, in fact, the target market.
Let's go to the gym and get swole.