WIA worth it?

I went to the fast pass meetings with an open mind. There must be a lot of really competitive applicants out there for the big 3- I basically got shuffled out of southern jets after a 2 minute chat (despite my best efforts!) with close to 1000 PIC and a Masters. Lower total time was my problem. The app wouldn't get pulled as a result.
 
I'm trying to go to the WIA, have my fast passes, flight, friends house but not the weather :( Cancelled yesterday, probably again today.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Once upon a time in my recruiter days I couldn't care less if people shopped around, We even encouraged it. Job fairs are supposed to answer questions too, facetime with a recruiter can tell you more than the internet can. We would tell candidates to go talk to everyone and see who you think you will fit in best with, come back if you think it's us. I wouldn't even get mad if people gave me a resume with another airlines name on it, i'd give them a hard time about it but mistakes happen and guaranteed they won't do it again. Granted, this was at the regional level but you can't put your eggs all in one basket and any decent recruiter should know that, a good candidate will be a good employee whereever they get hired. This "don't waste our time if you're gonna leave right away, only apply if you want to be here" is just an excuse to cover up lower pay or work rules IMO, seen it at a few shops.
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Agreed. In theory recruiting is supposed to be a two way street, not a 'don't waste my time if you don't rank me number one.' I think that attitude is unsustainable in the coming years.
 
Seggy said:
This may be the military cultural thing again, you say it is candor I say it is very disingenious for them to say that. JetBlue would have ZERO issues furloughing or displacing someone when fecal matter hits the fan again immediately if they thought it was the right business decision.

As a professional, besides crossing a picket line, you have to do what is best for your family and career first and foremost. At the time it may have been the best decision to go to JetBlue, but things can change, and you decide to go to another carrier. As a professional, what they feel isn't your problem.
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There's a difference between appreciating their public honesty in expressing how they really feel to potential applicants vs believing their statement itself to be righteous, which (like you) I don't.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
It is a two way street. Absolutely.
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But you act like it's a one way street at JB because if they don't bleed blue and want to fly an Airbus up and down the east coast the rest of their life they are wasting their time and won't be given any consideration. I have gotten this impression while going to these events too. Am I missing something?
 
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To add, a friend of mine wanted to only get hired at a "little" airline in ATL now he is at a "little" airline in DEN/ORD. You would think his new place was his number 1 choice all along. Amazing how quickly people become a companies biggest cheer leader, just because their mouth isnt dyed a specific color at a job fair doesn't mean it won't be if given a shot and hired.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
But you act like it's a one way street at JB because if they don't bleed blue and want to fly an Airbus up and down the east coast the rest of their life they are wasting their time and won't be given any consideration. I have gotten this impression while going to these events too. Am I missing something?
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You have to want to work here. We have to want you to work here. Two-way street.

But yeah, if you don't seem driven to work here the recruiters will give an interview slot to those who do seem motivated to be here. I'm not sure why this is controversial. There are a finite number of slots, and LOTS of applicants. Should the company say, "I know you truly want to be at Delta, but we will give you a slot instead of the guy behind you who is really motivated to be here."

When the pool of highly motivated applicants dries up, the attitude may shift. But for now the recruiters give preference to those who exhibit a strong interest.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
To add, a friend of mine wanted to only get hired at a "little" airline in ATL now he is at a "little" airline in DEN/ORD. You would think his new place was his number 1 choice all along. Amazing how quickly people become a companies biggest cheer leader, just because their mouth isnt dyed a specific color at a job fair doesn't mean it won't be if given a shot and hired.
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Of course that's true. But like I said in the last post, we are targeting those who are highly motivated. As long as we have those, I'm betting we will continue to select them for interviews.

Keep in mind that you may come to WAI to learn about us, and OBAP to show your interest level to get an interview. It doesn't have to all be at once. Most people take an application window or two to get hired.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Of course that's true. But like I said in the last post, we are targeting those who are highly motivated. As long as we have those, I'm betting we will continue to select them for interviews..
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A guy left my place for your shop just a couple months ago.
 
Just met with JetBlue today. Really good experience. First class people. They spent almost 15 minutes it seemed with everyone.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Once upon a time in my recruiter days I couldn't care less if people shopped around, We even encouraged it. Job fairs are supposed to answer questions too, facetime with a recruiter can tell you more than the internet can. We would tell candidates to go talk to everyone and see who you think you will fit in best with, come back if you think it's us. I wouldn't even get mad if people gave me a resume with another airlines name on it, i'd give them a hard time about it but mistakes happen and guaranteed they won't do it again. Granted, this was at the regional level but you can't put your eggs all in one basket and any decent recruiter should know that, a good candidate will be a good employee whereever they get hired. This "don't waste our time if you're gonna leave right away, only apply if you want to be here" is just an excuse to cover up lower pay or work rules IMO, seen it at a few shops.
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I have a buddy doing a job fair. Whether you're "shopping around" or not isn't even on our radar scope. He's not arrogant enough to think that an applicant flew from Anchorage to Nashville to speak with a single airline and then disappear to the "Fuse" lounge.
 
Derg said:
I have a buddy doing a job fair. Whether you're "shopping around" or not isn't even on our radar scope. He's not arrogant enough to think that an applicant flew from Anchorage to Nashville to speak with a single airline and then disappear to the "Fuse" lounge.
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I understand what you are saying, and perhaps I'm being unclear. Of course it is good to shop around and visit as many people as you can. But here is an anecdote from this very career fair that demonstrates what I'm trying to say.

I have a friend at a career fair this week. He was on a van in uniform headed over to run a fast pass line. Sitting one seat in front of him was a guy talking loudly about his 3 fast passes. He said, "I really want to go to Xxxx legacy, but I have fast passes to Yyyy legacy too, oh and one for JetBlue. I just got that one for the hell of it. If I got a job there I would go just long enough to get on at Xxxx legacy."

My friend of course heard that. Fast forward 5 hours, and who is sitting across my friend's table? That guy. Don't be that guy.

Be the guy who shows up, open minded, and learns about every airline. Then at the next career fair, if you want an interview with JetBlue, prove it.
 
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