Is it true?

KLB said:
Who hasn't had "a call from nature" 5 minutes prior to having to go down stairs and catch the shuttle? Sometimes there are things that you just can't rush. :)
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Yeah, there is that. Also just straight up idiot moments. No don't get me wrong, I like to think I am and reasonably intelligent, college educated man, but I have done the following:

Set my alarm for the van time.
Confuse the report time for the van time.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I absolutely needed that critique, and I admire that captain's professionalism and integrity in bothering to do it. It didn't feel good at the time - at all! - but I look back on it now as a very improving experience. "You do alright, but you have to fix this, this, and this." "You got it. Thanks." Pretty sore thing to have to do, and to hear, but that's how it works. It saved me, IMO, from developing some bad habits, and made me realize how much more work I had to do to be first-rate.
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What is sad, to me, is that this is not the standard in 121 aviation. That this instance is even of note is sadly telling.
 
Hacker15e said:
What is sad, to me, is that this is not the standard in 121 aviation. That this instance is even of note is sadly telling.
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The lack of an industry wide culture of continuous self-improvement is one of the reasons the aviation is the way it is in my opinion.
 
Cazadores said:
What I find interesting is what started as an attack on an agreeably somewhat "over the top" creed, ended in driving a discussion on basic standards of professionalism, and even just basic work ethic.

I think, maybe, the "creed" as silly as it is, might be performing as designed.
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The creed is "whatever"... Honestly when I first saw it, I thought it was silly. But the leadership class they teach FOs and CAs is by an excellent speaker and line pilot (A.K. for those in the know).

When I first met the man a few years ago during my interview, I didn't like him. He was super intense and a hardass. But as I continued to interact with him, I appreciated his passion and realized he is a damn good public speaker. He's also a terrific person to just have a conversation with.

Through my previous career I had to deal with a lot of these sort of classes and people in the past, and most are just terrible, straight out of "Office Space" or "South Park". But at least in my opinion, I like him and his material. Still not a fan of the creed, but unfortunately some of the people we hire need such things. As stated previously, you see it once and that's pretty much it... If I recall, we didn't even read it. It was just in some material they handed out on the first day.
 
Cazadores said:
What I find interesting is what started as an attack on an agreeably somewhat "over the top" creed, ended in driving a discussion on basic standards of professionalism, and even just basic work ethic.

I think, maybe, the "creed" as silly as it is, might be performing as designed.
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Actions speak louder than words.
 
GypsyPilot said:
The creed is "whatever"... Honestly when I first saw it, I thought it was silly. But the leadership class they teach FOs and CAs is by an excellent speaker and line pilot (A.K. for those in the know).

When I first met the man a few years ago during my interview, I didn't like him. He was super intense and a hardass. But as I continued to interact with him, I appreciated his passion and realized he is a damn good public speaker. He's also a terrific person to just have a conversation with.

Through my previous career I had to deal with a lot of these sort of classes and people in the past, and most are just terrible, straight out of "Office Space" or "South Park". But at least in my opinion, I like him and his material. Still not a fan of the creed, but unfortunately some of the people we hire need such things. As stated previously, you see it once and that's pretty much it... If I recall, we didn't even read it. It was just in some material they handed out on the first day.
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No reason to be a super intense and/or hardass person in this industry.

Colgan had them and that is one of the reasons we lost an airplane and killed 50 people.
 
Seggy said:
No reason to be a super intense and/or hardass person in this industry.

Colgan had them and that is one of the reasons we lost an airplane and killed 50 people.
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Point is, he isn't. That was my initial impression, and it was wrong. He's actually a great guy and wonderful to talk to. Which is what I said... Apologies if that wasn't clear in the previous post.
 
ppragman said:
The lack of an industry wide culture of continuous self-improvement is one of the reasons the aviation is the way it is in my opinion.
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Yessir.

No continuing education happens after the ATP, unless you count hanging on type ratings or adding category/class ratings. Recurrent? Congratulations, you can push the sim through the same maneuvers you did last year.
 
Cazadores said:
What I find interesting is what started as an attack on an agreeably somewhat "over the top" creed, ended in driving a discussion on basic standards of professionalism, and even just basic work ethic.

I think, maybe, the "creed" as silly as it is, might be performing as designed.
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I'd say so. Everyone who went through the eCRM course in my class took something away from it - including those of us who had done CRM at another airline already.

Did (does) it have its silly features? Yes. Is it the best CRM class that I've had in my time at the regional level? Also yes.

Seggy said:
What?
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Is this thing damaging your hearing?
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Autothrust Blue said:
Yessir.

No continuing education happens after the ATP, unless you count hanging on type ratings or adding category/class ratings. Recurrent? Congratulations, you can push the sim through the same maneuvers you did last year.
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disagree. if you're not always continuously improving and educating yourself youre doing something wrong and so is your training department. ('you' in a generic sense)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Yessir.

No continuing education happens after the ATP, unless you count hanging on type ratings or adding category/class ratings. Recurrent? Congratulations, you can push the sim through the same maneuvers you did last year.
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Agreed, which is why I always try to do something significant each year (ish)... A new type, flying the ASE system, upgrading, etc. It has kept me from getting bored and complacent so far!
 
Kingairer said:
disagree. if you're not always continuously improving and educating yourself youre doing something wrong and so is your training department. ('you' in a generic sense)
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Yep. By far the laziest and most negative people I've come across are those that just sit in their seat and fly the line without attempting to learn something new. That would drive me nuts, so it's easy for me to seek out additional challenges/learning opportunities.
 
Kingairer said:
disagree. if you're not always continuously improving and educating yourself youre doing something wrong and so is your training department. ('you' in a generic sense)
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I'm trying. Actually thinking about getting my CFI (if I don't upgrade here in the next few months), along with getting glider and sea ratings.

I'm speaking specifically about what my airline offers me. Other than the opportunity to learn to mumble "Packs on probes on" (which isn't even the flow over "there" anymore), there's really not that much.

GypsyPilot said:
Agreed, which is why I always try to do something significant each year (ish)... A new type, flying the ASE system, upgrading, etc. It has kept me from getting bored and complacent so far!
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The Aspen service does sound fun, but I do not live in Denver...
 
Seggy said:
Did he write the 'creed'?
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Seems to mostly paraphrase the Aviators Model Code of Conduct, you know, the one Jepp sticks at the front of the charts that no one reads? Has all of the same stuff.

ALPA, NAFI, Avemco, and a few airlines have materially the same code as well, probably many others.

Its principles complement and underscore legal requirements.
The Code of Conduct is a model, not a standard. Users should customize or otherwise revise the document
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Sounds like, well, exactly what SkyWest did. (The model one is like a billion pages long).
 
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