I have cash. Where does it go?

Those closing fees are pretty high and points suck because you are paying interest you may never have to pay if you sell or pay off early. Are those only closing fees without closing costs from escrow or title?

I'll have to check my HUD-1 for all my closing costs and give you an update.
Here's the breakdown for the 3.875% BPMI, This wasn't for a HUD property either

  • Your charge for this interest rate$1,625.00

  • Required services we select$752.98
    • Appraisal Fee$300.00

    • Attorney Fee for Trust Review (if applicable)$100.00

    • Attorney Review Fee$175.00

    • Courier Fee$25.00

    • Credit Report$26.50

    • Employment Verification Fee$23.07

    • Flood Certification Fee$7.00

    • IRS Tax Verification Fee$31.41

    • Tax Service Fee$65.00
  • Title services and lender's title insurance$1,795.00

  • Owner's title insurance$50.00

  • Required services you can shop for$400.00
    • Survey Fee$400.00
  • Government recording charges$410.00

  • Transfer taxes$1,400.00
Total Estimated Settlement Charges$6,432.98
 
Wow, those closing costs are killer. They average about a quarter that in Georgia and Florida. Can't remember Ohio, but I don't think they were that high.
 
If you would like another quote, send me a PM and I'll get you in touch with my dad. He's been doing mortgages since he retired from the Navy. Just about 23 years now.

And I don't know about PA, but I feel like closing costs are usually still negotiated to be on the seller.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
And I don't know about PA, but I feel like closing costs are usually still negotiated to be on the seller.

That's really very locale specific. Some areas it's almost always the seller, others it's almost always the buyer and you can't get a seller to pay no matter how hard you push.
 
Here's the breakdown for the 3.875% BPMI, This wasn't for a HUD property either

  • Your charge for this interest rate$1,625.00

  • Required services we select$752.98
    • Appraisal Fee$300.00

    • Attorney Fee for Trust Review (if applicable)$100.00

    • Attorney Review Fee$175.00

    • Courier Fee$25.00

    • Credit Report$26.50

    • Employment Verification Fee$23.07

    • Flood Certification Fee$7.00

    • IRS Tax Verification Fee$31.41

    • Tax Service Fee$65.00
  • Title services and lender's title insurance$1,795.00

  • Owner's title insurance$50.00

  • Required services you can shop for$400.00
    • Survey Fee$400.00
  • Government recording charges$410.00

  • Transfer taxes$1,400.00
Total Estimated Settlement Charges$6,432.98
OK got my HUD-1 here and this is what I have on it for Settlement charges. I just bought this house in July so the rates are nearly the same.

4.125% Fixed 30 year

Origination charge: $400.00
Points paid: $172.19 ( This was due to the title company having a computer problem and not being able to close in time. They paid for it)
Title Recording: $283.00
Appraisal: $500.00
Credit Report: $22.00
Flood Certification: $13.50
Owners Title: $663.59
Lender Credit: -$395.00

Total Settlement Charges: $1659.28

Everyone in the brokerage was amazed because they've never seen an origination of only $400 and then a lender credit of $395. Basically it only cost me $5 to get the loan. I would shop online as well because you usually get raped when they also have to pay for a whole office to operate.

Again I would suggest going through someone from Costco's program or Zillow.

Edit: Forgot to mention my credit was 809 when the loan went through.
 
Probably going to end up waiting another year for the home purchase. If I do go to a regional next spring/summer I'd rather have a little cash in my pocket for flexibility, wouldn't want to buy a place and have a two leg commute right off the bat
 
I plan on being a slumlord regional FO by 30 :cool:

Sounds like my future in 6 months or so. If you can, consider a purchase of a multi family (duplex/triplex/quadplex) if you're looking for an investment property to buy as a first time home buyer. They may cost a bit more but it's easier to supplement your mortgage and have positive cash flow right off the bat.

I have several properties- the multi families are my money makers, while the SFRs I break even on. If you're looking for cash flow, the more units the better to offset mortgage payments and still keep you ahead of the power curve if a unit is vacant for a month or two.

$6500-7k closing costs look fairly standard. Definitely negotiate the seller paying your closing into the deal, even if that means offering them full price.

Don't worry about the total amount of interest paid, because you're leveraging other people's money (the rents) to pay the loan and force savings/equity for you.

If you want to have an idea of what you've got to work with, ask the bank for a pre-qual letter to give you an idea of what you could afford.

As much as people make it out to be easy, investing in real estate can be stressful and requires effort and attention. Something always breaks, and you're always investing money into your properties (to force appreciation or leverage funds to purchase a new one). It's definitely a long term game, but is very playable as long as you don't try to overextend yourself too much and make smart purchases. People will always need a place to live.
 
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Sounds like my future in 6 months or so. If you can, consider a purchase of a multi family (duplex/triplex/quadplex) if you're looking for an investment property to buy as a first time home buyer. They may cost a bit more but it's easier to supplement your mortgage and have positive cash flow right off the bat.

I have several properties- the multi families are my money makers, while the SFRs I break even on. If you're looking for cash flow, the more units the better to offset mortgage payments and still keep you ahead of the power curve if a unit is vacant for a month or two.

$6500-7k closing costs look fairly standard. Definitely negotiate the seller paying your closing into the deal, even if that means offering them full price.

Don't worry about the total amount of interest paid, because you're leveraging other people's money (the rents) to pay the loan and force savings/equity for you.

If you want to have an idea of what you've got to work with, ask the bank for a pre-qual letter to give you an idea of what you could afford.

As much as people make it out to be easy, investing in real estate can be stressful and requires effort and attention. Something always breaks, and you're always investing money into your properties (to force appreciation or leverage funds to purchase a new one). It's definitely a long term game, but is very playable as long as you don't try to overextend yourself too much and make smart purchases. People will always need a place to live.
Exactly my plan. Decided to wait until the dust settles/figure out where I end up living once I pick a regional, definitely going to post updates when they come
 
Yeah it's looking like it will be another 3-4 years or so before I add another place to my portfolio. The good news is my houses collectively turn a profit, so I can survive first year RJ FO pay without them foreclosing if I end up flying for a regional instead of a corporate, Govt or contract gig.

Houses in PA are fairly cheap compared to the rest of the east coast.

If you get a plex near a base you could always crash pad it out... If you want to deal with that.

I personally prefer to pay a property management company to handle the day to day rental stuff. For 10% no one bitches to you and you have only a small cadre of people to deal with.
 
Yeah it's looking like it will be another 3-4 years or so before I add another place to my portfolio. The good news is my houses collectively turn a profit, so I can survive first year RJ FO pay without them foreclosing if I end up flying for a regional instead of a corporate, Govt or contract gig.

Houses in PA are fairly cheap compared to the rest of the east coast.

If you get a plex near a base you could always crash pad it out... If you want to deal with that.

I personally prefer to pay a property management company to handle the day to day rental stuff. For 10% no one bitches to you and you have only a small cadre of people to deal with.
Eh, not sure how I feel about the revolving door on crash pad tenants and how that might work with a property mgmt company.
Right now my wishlist consists of:
1. Bases for regionals/large hub cities
2. Low-ish cost of living (coming from NJ anywhere is better, really)
3. I can concealed carry
4. No or low state income tax
5. Plentiful young southern women with teeth and an education. (In that order)
 
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