Roger Roger
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There's one or two people on this board that might be able to give them advice on locating waypoints and determining MEAs.
C207 crash Juneau
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ppragman
No pasa nada.
They should, but I doubt they would.
CoffeeIcePapers
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I thought they call that special VFR up there.
z987k
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So this will continue then. Again, why it's the fed's fault. #1 thing in the way of aviation safety.
Roger Roger
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To be fair, they did try it and there are "low" GPS airways available here but they don't come close to utilizing the capabilities of the equipment and the aircraft equipment requirements are going to eliminate anything smaller than a Navajo. The other thing that prevents a lot of operators from doing IFR is the one in, one out nature of IFR operations here that makes traffic flow a nightmare when the weather goes down. Why ADSB hasn't fixed this, I don't know, as center can see us runway to runway most places we go.
z987k
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The point is, it can be done, but they won't because it's the FAA. Standing in the way of safety.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
TERPS is a bit too complicated to rapidly implement what is technically possible. Honestly, you could certify new IFR routes with a Garmin 530 and TAWS, but the feds would never go for something that didn't cost millions of dollars to happen. At an industry discussion a year and a half ago with the FAA's representative and some other industry stake-holders I told them exactly what they needed to do to prevent CFIT without over burdening operators, but it fell on deaf ears. Honestly, the whole airspace system is kind of broken in my opinion, it needs an overhaul.
ShortField
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The FAA would tell you it can be done but what the area produces economically doesn't support the federal investment required. Our POI told us that directly when asked why RCO's are out of service for years, approaches don't exist to places like KPN, no way to close out your IFR in Marshall etc. Basically if the weather is bad, the flight doesn't need to happen.
Roger Roger
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Honestly there is a point there. But these villages and small communities have gotten so used to a level of service and never had to pony up for it. In a way it's the Alaska way, gubmint stay out of my bizness unless you're giving me something for nothing.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Very GOP, honestly.
It's downright tragic. Safety costs money. Someone has to pay for it.
z987k
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But like ppragman said, everything is already in place. The GPS constellation is already paid for and the operators already have the avionics required(to my knowledge). All you have to do is go fly the routes and publish them. In fact I'm fairly sure the operators already have their own bootleg IFR routes in place.
JeppUpdater
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You know, I'd swear there was a reg somewhere saying the PIC was the final authority to a flight.
But I guess it's easier to just wing it into absurd weather while 'VFR' then blame the Feds every time someone kills themselves in an airplane up there.
But I guess it's easier to just wing it into absurd weather while 'VFR' then blame the Feds every time someone kills themselves in an airplane up there.
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I don't disagree with the sentiment, but honest question—how much time do you have in Southeast?
-Fox
C-182 flyer
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What does that matter? It does not matter where you fly, you should not fly your aircraft into the ground or water. If someone's life is not at risk on the ground like in the case of a SAR mission, why do it? Flying crappy planes in crappy weather for crappy pay just is not worth it, especially just because that is how we do it and what is expected of us.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
You really don't know what you're talking about if this is your sentiment. No offense, but it's really easy to Monday morning qb stuff like this when you've never seen it.
The blame the PIC mentality in these accidents is exactly why we keep having them.
Bob Ridpath
Pit Bull love
Well, whatever happened that day, she lived and loved for nearly half a century, and surely brought joy to her family and friends.
With four survivors, is it too much of a stretch to suggest she didn't give up but flew that plane as best she could all the way in?
Requiescat in pace ...
With four survivors, is it too much of a stretch to suggest she didn't give up but flew that plane as best she could all the way in?
Requiescat in pace ...
knot4u
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I certainly don't mean to offend but if you decide to aviate and hit a granite cloud in Los Angeles it has the exact same effect as it would in Alaska.
Boris Badenov
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Pretending that we're not all subject to being affected by the culture of a place, whether it be an operator or, uh, a place seems a bit...mhmmm, naive.
Plus we still don't know what happened here.
Plus we still don't know what happened here.
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