Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
What is a Hal?
You're the FO...
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I haven't dared try turning it off at TOD, and considering this episode at just 12k, not sure if I feel inclined now. Though I have flown with some regulars several times so maybe I might ask if one is okay with that and then do it if so.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
HAL was the computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey. He pretty much took over and killed everyone. Todd is terrified that le bus will bring on the singularity and unleash skynet one day.
To be fair, 12,000 feet often is our top of descent.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
It is the corporate name "IBM", with each letter shifted once to the left in the alphabet.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
AKA, that piece of French garbage that you fly which gets people killed left and right.
Okay, that's a LOT more believable, and basically reaffirms what I was saying earlier about there not being any need to practice for this all the time. It's just a silly excuse for the ego gratification of hand flying.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Thanks for clarifying.
That ego gratification, even if done only once per month, would have prevented the Asiana smoking hole at SFO on an absolute clear perfect day.
The guy who turns AT off is forced to know power settings in the regimes of flight. And IMO puts you even more in the loop.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Such BS. The Asiana crash was a result of not understanding the automation. More use of the automation is a better idea than less.
Know power settings? That is some Riddle stuff man, put the throttle where it's got to go to get the performance you want. Besides, FF is a great A/THR OFF thrust target.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Not if you don't pay attention to settings when AT is always on. I've seen it and it's pretty sad. Like I said, a guy who doesn't feel comfortable with the AT off at 12k on an idle approach and descend profile probably isn't aware of what power setting holds what with AT off. Just IMO
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
They manually overrode the throttles to idle power which is then manual throttle hold. They thought AT would still be on and didn't pay attention to thrust settings not airspeed below 500 feet. With AT always on, the first thing that leaves the scan is power setting.
More automation than less has killed pilots and passengers. Sometimes the situation calls for less automation and not more. Knowing all 3 levels of automation and being proficient with them makes the safest pilot and operation. Not guys heads down punching buttons. There are some arrival patterns (Sadde6 LAX that breaks off tightly for a base to 24L) in which no amounts of button pushing will get the automation there in time. Manually clicking it all off results in a faster result and stable by a 1000'
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Thank you for proving my point.
Know your automation. Don't get rid of it and use hand flying like a crutch.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And the day it goes off in he FLs and the crews stall to the ocean? Not very good hand-flyers. If you manually take it to cruise once in a while and level off yourself, you'd learn you don't pull 15 degrees straight up in the FLs and expect to be able to fly that without stalling.
No one said get rid of it and use hand flying as a crutch. Simply that one should be proficient with their assigned aircraft with all regimes of flight with and without automation including autothrottles.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
A vast oversimplification of the incredibly confusing environment in which the Air France crew found themselves.
I get the feeling that your ego about your "mad skillz" is going to get you into some serious problems someday. I hope I'm wrong.
I get the feeling that your ego about your "mad skillz" is going to get you into some serious problems someday. I hope I'm wrong.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Seriously? No mad skills here. Or skillz with a z for that matter.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Every time there's an accident, you rush into the thread to bash the flying skills of the crew. Happens without fail.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Push lever go faster. Pull lever go slower. Me likey. And when I say lever I'm pronouncing it leeeeeever.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Say what? Where have I bashed? The exception was Colgan.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I'm not going to go digging. Better things to do with my time. But I'm not the first person to call you on it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Well I'd be curious. I can't complain much being almost an abinitio myself. I give you Colgan but not sure I've put down others.
Most nearly all accidents are a huge chain from different links that all lined up perfectly.