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Hacker15e said:
Can you guys expound on this?
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Airways, even though they can't understand the word 'binding' had a fantastic safety culture that came out of the early 1990s. 'Merican is stuck in the antiquated 1950s Air Force culture that the cAAptain can do no wrong. From my understanding 'Merican put their standards in place with the procedures going forward with the new 'Merican instead of taking the Airways way of thinking.

Usually, the PF does all the briefings and the PM does the announcements in cruise.
 
Seggy said:
It is my understanding that at 'Merican the FO can't make any announcements.
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The FM: Part I states that The Captain (proper capitalization) is responsible for PAs, but can allow other flight deck crew members to make when the airplane (American flies airplanes) requires their attention. Additionally, it says Captains should train first officers in PA techniques and allow them to make announcements when appropriate.

This is one of the many, many, mAAny contradictory things in our FM. Every PA example in the book starts with "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Captain _________..." No word about fos. Also, I would think approaching an active runway would be a time that the airplane would require their attention, but I would be wrong.

A colleague once had an LAA guy in the jumpseat. When the F/O went to make a PA, the LAA guy leaned towards the Captain and said, "You allow your fos to make PAs?" The Captain looked at him and said, "Yeah, why?" The LAA guy stated, "Oh, I don't ever trust my fos enough to make PAs." I'd be willing to bet his seniority is less than 2000.
 
Seggy said:
Airways, even though they can't understand the word 'binding' had a fantastic safety culture that came out of the early 1990s. 'Merican is stuck in the antiquated 1950s Air Force culture that the cAAptain can do no wrong. From my understanding 'Merican put their standards in place with the procedures going forward with the new 'Merican instead of taking the Airways way of thinking.

Usually, the PF does all the briefings and the PM does the announcements in cruise.
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All of the great safety innovations, culture and training programs we had at Airways has been thrown into the garbage.

American Airlines: 60 Years of Tradition, Uninterrupted by Progress.
 
Seggy said:
Oh come on now, your pilot group is masters of that sentiment and rightfully so!

Remember Comair? Your pilot group repaid the deplorable action they had of making your furloughees resign their Delta seniority numbers as when they were shutting down your pilot group wouldn't lift a finger to help them.

Animosity and yes even hatred does exist between pilot groups.
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My employer has hired Comair pilots, not exactly sure where you're getting that from.

One of those guys is a lurker here, maybe he'll chime in and show you his ID or something.
 
Derg said:
My employer has hired Comair pilots, not exactly sure where you're getting that from.

One of those guys is a lurker here, maybe he'll chime in and show you his ID or something.
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Hiring has little to do with it. 'Merican has hired Eagle pilots.

What I'm getting at is your pilot group repaid how they were treated by the Comair pilot group during bankruptcy. Management at Comair wasn't forcing Delta furloughees to resign their seniority numbers, the Comair pilot group wanted that. So the animosity started within the Pilot group.

Cptnchia said:
Ehh, maybe he's partly right. The animosity is by maybe 35-40% of the group, making 100% of the noise. Probably close to 40-45% of the senior folks can't even tell you what RJDC was.
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@ATN_Pilot was much done to help the Comair guys when they were going under by Delta?
 
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ERfly said:
All of the great safety innovations, culture and training programs we had at Airways has been thrown into the garbage.

American Airlines: 60 Years of Tradition, Uninterrupted by Progress.
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I keep hearing that the TEM model from USAir is going to survive the merger. But that appears to be the only thing that might survive.
 
ctab5060X said:
Since those who have AAlways done it that wAAy deemed it so.
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I'm familiar with this phenomenon too.

Seggy said:
Two points.

-That 'Merican has their heads up their ass when it comes to CRM.

- @Autothrust Blue even though he works at an 'industry leading' regional has some pretty unprofessional 'team' members if they aren't making the welcome aboard announcement as a habit.
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Are you done?
 
Seggy said:
- @Autothrust Blue even though he works at an 'industry leading' regional has some pretty unprofessional 'team' members if they aren't making the welcome aboard announcement as a habit.
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Lack of a "welcome aboard" announcement is "unprofessional"? Seriously?

If anything, it's a niceity performed as time or workload allows. At best. Calling it "unprofessional" to not being able to perform one, or just not doing it, is pretty low rent. You're an airline pilot, not a cruise director on the Love Boat.
 
PAs are overated
ctab5060X said:
I keep hearing that the TEM model from USAir is going to survive the merger. But that appears to be the only thing that might survive.
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what model is that exactly? All I ever see are posters with green, yellow and red.
It's all really just common sense.
 
MikeD said:
Lack of a "welcome aboard" announcement is "unprofessional"? Seriously?
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Yes.


If anything, it's a niceity performed as time or workload allows. At best. Calling it "unprofessional" to not being able to perform one, or just not doing it, is pretty low rent. You're an airline pilot, not a cruise director on the Love Boat.
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Those that don't make the announcements 'as a matter of habit' are unprofessional. My place as well as Delta are placing A LOT of emphasis on passenger engagement. A simple 'hello' and 'thank you' is appreciated. Yes, workload permitting, but it is rare where workload doesn't allow for it. That isn't being a cruise director. That is being a professional.
 
skyw82 said:
PAs are overated
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Didn't your former place encourage the pilot flying to step out and say hello in the cabin?

Also, it doesn't matter what we think. We matter what our employers think. They want them. I do them.
 
Seggy said:
Yes.




Those that don't make the announcements 'as a matter of habit' are unprofessional. My place as well as Delta are placing A LOT of emphasis on passenger engagement. A simple 'hello' and 'thank you' is appreciated. Yes, workload permitting, but it is rare where workload doesn't allow for it. That isn't being a cruise director. That is being a professional.
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Sometimes less is more, I've been on a few flights where it seems a PA is made constantly. It gets annoying after a while and people don't want to hear what the weather at destination is going to be at for a second or third time. I think a welcome aboard PA should be made and then only PAs that give certain important information i.e. things like delays and seat belt sign being turned on in during the descent.

I know that on shuttle flights its encouraged to make LESS Pa's since the business travels don't like them.
 
Seggy said:
Those that don't make the announcements 'as a matter of habit' are unprofessional. My place as well as Delta are placing A LOT of emphasis on passenger engagement. A simple 'hello' and 'thank you' is appreciated. Yes, workload permitting, but it is rare where workload doesn't allow for it. That isn't being a cruise director. That is being a professional.
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Passenger engagement is important, sure. They're the reason you're there. And that comes secondary to your primary duty of ensuring a safe flight. The reason I wouldn't call it "unprofessional", is because unless it's spelled out in the FOM or other driving directive that you need to accomplish one, then its optional. And options don't make one a professional or not, except in one's opinion.
 
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