The Hat without the Blazer

I never understood the hate about uniforms. It's not like the airlines make them part of some super secret company document that you only find out about in new hire class. If you're that adamant about not wearing part of it, make that clear during your interview process that it is a condition of your being hired as a pilot. Then let me know how that works out.
 
Blackhawk said:
I never understood the hate about uniforms. It's not like the airlines make them part of some super secret company document that you only find out about in new hire class. If you're that adamant about not wearing part of it, make that clear during your interview process that it is a condition of your being hired as a pilot. Then let me know how that works out.
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Have you seen those leather potatoe sacks that US Air requires? One size fits nobody.
 
deadstick said:
Have you seen those leather potatoe sacks that US Air requires? One size fits nobody.
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Again, if that's what boss man wants, then either voice displeasure to management while wearing it or find another job. I have more important things to worry about as a pilot than what uniform management wants me to wear.
I guess it comes from years of seeing stupid uniform policies in the military, yet still being able to do my job while complying with them.
 
Blackhawk said:
I never understood the hate about uniforms. It's not like the airlines make them part of some super secret company document that you only find out about in new hire class. If you're that adamant about not wearing part of it, make that clear during your interview process that it is a condition of your being hired as a pilot. Then let me know how that works out.
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As I tell people, I'll show up in clown shoes and a red nose if that's what the FOM says I gotta do.

That said, I do make fun of the hat at a regional level and here's why:

To me the hat is important at Delta because it signifies being squared away in every other aspect of your job that you might as well go the extra mile in appearance as well. It's about a quiet confidence and being the whole package.

But at the regional level there's a bunch of guys who think it's JUST about the hat. I've flown with some absolutely terrible pilots who are absolutely obsessed with the hat only because they want to work at Delta. They haven't honed any of their other skills, they think just wearing the hat is the magic handshake.
 
If you're at regional and wear the hat, you should be forced to wear the headset over it...

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Screaming_Emu said:
As I tell people, I'll show up in clown shoes and a red nose if that's what the FOM says I gotta do.

That said, I do make fun of the hat at a regional level and here's why:

To me the hat is important at Delta because it signifies being squared away in every other aspect of your job that you might as well go the extra mile in appearance as well. It's about a quiet confidence and being the whole package.

But at the regional level there's a bunch of guys who think it's JUST about the hat. I've flown with some absolutely terrible pilots who are absolutely obsessed with the hat only because they want to work at Delta. They haven't honed any of their other skills, they think just wearing the hat is the magic handshake.
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When the hat was required I wore a hat. When the hat became optional I ditched it. It actually throws me off when I see one of our pilots with one.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That said, I do make fun of the hat at a regional level and here's why:

To me the hat is important because it signifies being squared away in every other aspect of your job that you might as well go the extra mile in appearance as well. It's about a quiet confidence and being the whole package.
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FIFY. There should be no Delta in there. It doesn't matter where you work. Everyone should show that quiet confidence, and if you choose to wear the hat or are required to so be it, regional or not. The "at the regional level" mentality is getting annoying, we all fly fast ass ( you can totally say ass on here) airplanes with people on board and they deserve their pilots having that confidence and giving a crap.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
As I tell people, I'll show up in clown shoes and a red nose if that's what the FOM says I gotta do.

That said, I do make fun of the hat at a regional level and here's why:

To me the hat is important at Delta because it signifies being squared away in every other aspect of your job that you might as well go the extra mile in appearance as well. It's about a quiet confidence and being the whole package.

But at the regional level there's a bunch of guys who think it's JUST about the hat. I've flown with some absolutely terrible pilots who are absolutely obsessed with the hat only because they want to work at Delta. They haven't honed any of their other skills, they think just wearing the hat is the magic handshake.
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I've actually been surprised recently to see some DAL pilots dressed like regional pilots complete with the North Face jackets. My brother, a 330 FO, has always been a slob. He used a white pillow case for his scarf at Canoe U one winter when he lost his, then had to walk it off when an upper classman noticed during an inspection. But even he is able to comply with the uniform regs.
 
Blackhawk said:
I never understood the hate about uniforms. It's not like the airlines make them part of some super secret company document that you only find out about in new hire class. If you're that adamant about not wearing part of it, make that clear during your interview process that it is a condition of your being hired as a pilot. Then let me know how that works out.
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I don't think it's hatred for them, I think it's more of, when you're standing on the curb in Orlando in mid July waiting for the van to show up, and it's 97 degrees and 100% humidity because it just thunderstormed, you wonder, why am I wearing a hat?
 
ClarkGriswold said:
FIFY. There should be no Delta in there. It doesn't matter where you work. Everyone should show that quiet confidence, and if you choose to wear the hat or are required to so be it, regional or not. The "at the regional level" mentality is getting annoying, we all fly fast ass ( you can totally say ass on here) airplanes with people on board and they deserve their pilots having that confidence and giving a crap.
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Oh I agree. There shouldn't be a different level of professionalism. My point was that there are some guys who think the hat alone is some secret code.
 
Nick said:
I don't think it's hatred for them, I think it's more of, when you're standing on the curb in Orlando in mid July waiting for the van to show up, and it's 97 degrees and 100% humidity because it just thunderstormed, you wonder, why am I wearing a hat?
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IDK. After wearing chicken plate in 115 degree heat wearing a hat in Florida seems pretty trivial.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
FIFY. There should be no Delta in there. It doesn't matter where you work. Everyone should show that quiet confidence, and if you choose to wear the hat or are required to so be it, regional or not. The "at the regional level" mentality is getting annoying, we all fly fast ass ( you can totally say ass on here) airplanes with people on board and they deserve their pilots having that confidence and giving a crap.
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preach, my brother.

double-ditto if you're making real money to fly these things. the LEAST you can do is look the part.
 
Derg said:
Do what the boss-man says do.

Boss-man doesn't care what you think until he asks you.
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Various bossmen at my company have expressed "you wear a hat, excellent" to me.

The reality of SAPA only ever really getting bent out of shape about (1) water bottles, (2) requiring a hat and (3) modifications to the 8 hour rule is hilarious.
 
Derg said:
I never understood people that wouldn't show up to an interview for a job they really wanted looking sharp, but a few years in, they look like some disheveled hotel van driver.
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"[The Company's] public perception as an airline is projected through the appearance of our flight crew" or something to that effect.
 
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