BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
But do they know WHY they are marching? Other than "I was told to"...which to me is the same as hippy anarchists destroying stuff because its cool. Man. They know not why.
NetJets Pilots picket the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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In my experience, the kids beg to go out and carry a sign next to dad. I haven't seen a case of parents forcing the kids to march. Relax.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
I have yet to begin to get excited. Merely discussing the union indoctrination of mush minds that are completely incapable of self thought, that are being poisoned by a public school system that promotes mediocrity and conformity on top of being photo pawns of a quasi-union that doesn't fully comprehend what they want-only that they want more. Thats all.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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BajtheJino said:
Oh, is that all.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
I met some XO people the other day in Marsh Harbor. Capt was an alright dude, walked my wing when the FBO staff couldn't be bothered. FO on the other hand wouldn't even acknowledge the earth is populated by other people. Their uniforms look Gestapo-ish.
But, as a person that knows nothing of their company or ways of doing bidness-how are they ruining corp. aviation?
KLB
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I've been really trying to relay to the other 3 guys I fly with how important it is for us to be paying attention to what's going with the negotiations with NetJets due to them being our biggest customers . Eighty percent of the flying we do outside of owner trips is for NetJets.
If there is a strike, we'd be put in an awkward position. They don't seem to understand the consequences of this. This is my only regret about leaving a now organized TMC for my current gig.
If there is a strike, we'd be put in an awkward position. They don't seem to understand the consequences of this. This is my only regret about leaving a now organized TMC for my current gig.
undflyboy06
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A lot of our business is NetJets also when we are not doing charter trips. I have a feeling that if a strike were to happen, the QOL of us would drop dramatically since we would be doing nothing but picking up NetJets trips constantly. All the charter companies are definitely chomping at the bit and hoping that this would happen, since their business would skyrocket. I hope this does not happen though.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I wouldn't worry about it. I don't see the NMB releasing them until they drop some demands like status quo on health care premiums.
USMCmech
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The RLA applies to fractionals?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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USMCmech said:
Yep.
USMCmech
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I learn something new every day.
I must say that I understand the need for airline labor to be regulated as a critical piece of the nations infrastructure, but corporate aviation seems like a stretch. If AA stops flying large portions of the USA will grind to a halt, if NetJets pilots walk business travelers will have to ride SWA.
Seems like a case could be made that the RLA shouldn't apply to 135 operators.
Inverted
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Since you brought up SWA, look up their fleet size compared to NetJets. There seems to be a commonality within the aviation industry that most do not understand the scope of Netjets operations. Oh and SWA operates to 93 destinations according to their Wiki, we operate to over 5,000 airports in the U.S. Trust me, our owners aren't gonna just hop on SWA to get where they're going.
KLB
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That's the thing that customers get with corporate aviation that they can't get with the airlines...that is that we operate on their time and go to places that are most convenient to them, and we do it discretely. Basically, they go where they want to go, when they want to, and with very few people knowing about it.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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You might want to pipe down on that. You're giving the White House and NMB more ammo to not release you.
hook_dupin
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Per the NMB, it's pretty well established that RLA applies to 135 operators.
As for the fractional thing, I did some research:
Thibodeaux vs Executive Jet International
Interestingly, the case hinged on what defines a "common carrier," and the circuit court ruled that this particular fractional operator was a common carrier because of how they advertised themselves.
I would amend Todd's answer to "Most probably, yep." If your fractional isn't advertising to a definable segment of the public, then likely RLA doesn't apply ...but which fractional firm is dumb enough not to advertise?
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Flying Saluki
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I think it's reprehensible that some people chose to bring their children to this event. Children should be in school, or home playing, or at practice or a scout meeting, not walking a picket line supporting something of which they have no understanding. Work problems are an adult's problems, and parents should not burden their children with them. Besides that, there is a very real potential for civil unrest and even violence at these things, and I wouldn't want my children anywhere near that. That's just irresponsible parenting.
That said, I think that informational pickets, and even the potential for a strike are going to have very little impact on the outcome. NJ's customers are the well-heeled, who tend to have a far better understanding of business reality than does the typical blue collar worker that these events are aimed at. If there is a strike, there are plenty of other options available for these travelers, right down to the charter operator at their local airport.
That said, I think that informational pickets, and even the potential for a strike are going to have very little impact on the outcome. NJ's customers are the well-heeled, who tend to have a far better understanding of business reality than does the typical blue collar worker that these events are aimed at. If there is a strike, there are plenty of other options available for these travelers, right down to the charter operator at their local airport.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Violence? Civil unrest? At a pilot picketing event? What a ridiculous thing to say. Lighten up. The kids like to march with daddy. Simple as that.
KLB
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Customers could go and charter out while a strike is in place, but they'd lose money because they've already paid their annual ownership fees. They would not be very happy about that.
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Flying Saluki
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Perhaps "violence" is too strong a word, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility for incidents to occur when you gather together a large group of angry people. Regardless of that, however, it's still not a place for children.