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wainscottbl

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So deciding what to watch after Season 2 of "Bates Motel" (awesome show), I could not really find anything. So I decided I would give the classic show "Wings" a chance. I suppose some may find the humor kind of corny, but if it is, it is the classic stuff from the age of "Cheers". I like the show so far, if only for it being a classic and about planes. I doubt I will watch it devotedly or even all the way through, but from time to time I will watch it. Any other fans.

Oh, and I think everyone can appreciate the opening monologue, which I cannot find on YouTube here Joe Hackett (Tim Daly) talks about how when you up in the air you can make some sense of the world, not so much from an intellectual sense, as spiritual. And it is so true. I mean not only the freedom, but seeing the world as God sees it you might say. As a whole, rather than a part. Something bigger and more beautiful than ourselves. We do not know what is going on down in each home and in each car and in each field. People are laughing, crying, working and everything. We are free, but they may not be, and we can see them as part of a beautiful whole. If humbles one, I think.
 
wainscottbl said:
Oh, and I think everyone can appreciate the opening monologue, which I cannot find on YouTube here Joe Hackett (Tim Daly) talks about how when you up in the air you can make some sense of the world, not so much from an intellectual sense, as spiritual. And it is so true..
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msmspilot said:
I have 41 hours in that airplane! :)
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Same here (roughly). One of the guys ran her off the end of the runway in ART in 2010 so they took her back to HYA and franken-planed her with an old Island Air bird that had a bad wing spar. Still flying today as far as I know.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong...but that looks like it has a "hump" on the top of the engine cowl, like the GTISO engines of a 404/421...
 
SurferLucas said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong...but that looks like it has a "hump" on the top of the engine cowl, like the GTISO engines of a 404/421...
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They actually used 2 planes in the show, N121PB and N121PP. 1PP was a Cessna 411 which had GTSIO-520's.
 
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milleR said:
Same here (roughly). One of the guys ran her off the end of the runway in ART in 2010 so they took her back to HYA and franken-planed her with an old Island Air bird that had a bad wing spar. Still flying today as far as I know.
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Still flying. All my time in her is after the rebuild.
 
wainscottbl said:
Oh, and I think everyone can appreciate the opening monologue, which I cannot find on YouTube here Joe Hackett (Tim Daly) talks about how when you up in the air you can make some sense of the world, not so much from an intellectual sense, as spiritual. And it is so true. I mean not only the freedom, but seeing the world as God sees it you might say. As a whole, rather than a part. Something bigger and more beautiful than ourselves. We do not know what is going on down in each home and in each car and in each field. People are laughing, crying, working and everything. We are free, but they may not be, and we can see them as part of a beautiful whole. If humbles one, I think.
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That's some Pale Blue Dot stuff.

"There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world."
 
Autothrust Blue said:
That's some Pale Blue Dot stuff.

"There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world."
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A terrific book.

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

It is sometimes said that scientists are unromantic, that their passion to figure out robs the world of beauty and mystery. But is it not stirring to understand how the world actually works — that white light is made of colors, that color is the way we perceive the wavelengths of light, that transparent air reflects light, that in so doing it discriminates among the waves, and that the sky is blue for the same reason that the sunset is red? It does no harm to the romance of the sunset to know a little bit about it.

Ann Druyan suggests an experiment: Look back again at the pale blue dot of the preceding chapter. Take a good long look at it. Stare at the dot for any length of time and then try to convince yourself that God created the whole Universe for one of the 10 million or so species of life that inhabit that speck of dust. Now take it a step further: Imagine that everything was made just for a single shade of that species, or gender, or ethnic or religious subdivision. If this doesn’t strike you as unlikely, pick another dot. Imagine it to be inhabited by a different form of intelligent life. They, too, cherish the notion of a God who has created everything for their benefit. How seriously do you take their claim?

What do we really want from religion? Palliatives? Therapy? Comfort? Do we want reassuring fables or an understanding of our actual circumstances? Dismay that the Universe does not conform to our preferences seems childish. You might think that grown-ups would be ashamed to put such thoughts into print. The fashionable way of doing this is not to blame the Universe -- which seems truly pointless -- but rather to blame the means by which we know the Universe, namely science.

We've tended in our cosmologies to make things familiar. Despite all our best efforts, we've not been very inventive In the West, Heaven is placid and fluffy, and Hell is like the inside of a volcano. In many stories, both realms are governed by dominance hierarchies headed by gods or devils. Monotheists talked about the king of kings In every culture we imagined something like our own political system running the universe. Few found the similarity suspicious."


-Carl Sagan The Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of The Human Future In Space
 
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milleR said:
Same here (roughly). One of the guys ran her off the end of the runway in ART in 2010 so they took her back to HYA and franken-planed her with an old Island Air bird that had a bad wing spar. Still flying today as far as I know.
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Yeah, that's too damn bad...That whole accident was one giant facepalm. 121PB got me out of a shady windshear situation once in RUT. Good machine, though I recall it was slow (not like 11X, which probably just indicated fast from a pitot-static problem :D).

I still miss that job every day!
 
dasleben said:
Yeah, that's too damn bad...That whole accident was one giant facepalm. 121PB got me out of a shady windshear situation once in RUT. Good machine, though I recall it was slow (not like 11X, which probably just indicated fast from a pitot-static problem :D).

I still miss that job every day!
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Yup, but no airspeed approaches made for some nice variety in the PC's :)
 
A Life Aloft said:
A terrific book.

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.

It is sometimes said that scientists are unromantic, that their passion to figure out robs the world of beauty and mystery. But is it not stirring to understand how the world actually works — that white light is made of colors, that color is the way we perceive the wavelengths of light, that transparent air reflects light, that in so doing it discriminates among the waves, and that the sky is blue for the same reason that the sunset is red? It does no harm to the romance of the sunset to know a little bit about it.

Ann Druyan suggests an experiment: Look back again at the pale blue dot of the preceding chapter. Take a good long look at it. Stare at the dot for any length of time and then try to convince yourself that God created the whole Universe for one of the 10 million or so species of life that inhabit that speck of dust. Now take it a step further: Imagine that everything was made just for a single shade of that species, or gender, or ethnic or religious subdivision. If this doesn’t strike you as unlikely, pick another dot. Imagine it to be inhabited by a different form of intelligent life. They, too, cherish the notion of a God who has created everything for their benefit. How seriously do you take their claim?

What do we really want from religion? Palliatives? Therapy? Comfort? Do we want reassuring fables or an understanding of our actual circumstances? Dismay that the Universe does not conform to our preferences seems childish. You might think that grown-ups would be ashamed to put such thoughts into print. The fashionable way of doing this is not to blame the Universe -- which seems truly pointless -- but rather to blame the means by which we know the Universe, namely science.

We've tended in our cosmologies to make things familiar. Despite all our best efforts, we've not been very inventive In the West, Heaven is placid and fluffy, and Hell is like the inside of a volcano. In many stories, both realms are governed by dominance hierarchies headed by gods or devils. Monotheists talked about the king of kings In every culture we imagined something like our own political system running the universe. Few found the similarity suspicious."


-Carl Sagan The Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of The Human Future In Space
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That's the great thing about Eastern Orthodoxy. There is no pope, and thus no infallible man who has to later apologize for nearly burning Galileo or whatever. The bishops are equal and they do not make dogmatic claims on anything other than stuff like

1. The is one God.
2. He created the cosmos out of nothing

How he did it theologians can disagree. Whether by some big-bang thing he set in order, etc, it really does not matter. That's vanity in the end. Trying to argue over that is dangerous for the soul, since you are not defending the existence of God and ex nihilo creation, but what "the Bible" says. The Church interprets the Bible, not the individual. Though this priest is not saying he believe in aliens, he is saying it is a matter the Orthodox Church is indifferent to.

http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2009/11/fr-john-romanides-on-extraterrestrial.html

The Orthodox Church does not see Science and Religion at war with one another like the Catholic Church (at least in the past) or the Protestant churches, especially the fundamentalists.

But I really did not mention God to get into religion. I mentioned seeing the world as God sees is in the abstract sense of the divine. The force above that is all good, see it all, loves it all, understands it all, etc. You need not even believe in God to appreciate the archetype.

I think we may or may not find ET life. I am not saying I believe in little green men, but I am not saying intelligent life elsewhere is out of the question. It would be a bit arrogant if we admit we are so ignorant of the vast universe. Space travel will be interesting, though it sort of takes away the romance of flight the more we get into the computer age? If we have planes that can cross the nation in say an hour (at our fingertips) in our lifetime, I think the romance of flying jumbo-jets will be lost. The public thinks that 747s are flown auto-pilot, as in the pilot just sits there and monitors the computers, from takeoff to touchdown, that he is more a computer monitor than a pilot. At least they think that in part. But that may be more true one day. Isn't it sort of sad? But of course, flying spaceships like on Start Trek--that's pretty badass.


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wainscottbl said:
But I really did not mention God to get into religion. I mentioned seeing the world as God sees is in the abstract sense of the divine. The force above that is all good, see it all, loves it all, understands it all, etc. You need not even believe in God to appreciate the archetype.
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Yet you brought "God" into the discussion when nothing of that nature was implied or stated in the monologue from the tv series and Sagan's book was mentioned so I posted some quotes from it (it really is a great book) as I do not believe in any man made religions. I believe in science, fact, truth and logic. Then you went into a religious dissertation of sorts in your response above. I have no idea what you mean by the "divine" that is not related to religion, since it implies and actually means a state of things that come from a supernatural power or deity, such as a god, supreme being, creator, spirits, etc., (unless someone is saying, this cake is just divine lol) or any "force above that is all good, see it all, loves it all, understands it all", which again, implies the same man made/created notion of some supreme force or power, as far as I am concerned. I am not sure that these types of discussions are even apropos here on the main forum to begin with.
 
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