Excellent news concerning Drones

Seggy

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This article was in the Wall Street Journal yesterday concerning where the FAA most likely will take the Drone Operator Certification regulations. Yes a few more steps have to occur for the final regulation, but I am glad where the FAA is thinking early in this process.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/drone-flights-face-faa-hit-1416793905

I think that this is excellent news concerning the safety of the National Airspace System and I a hopeful that drone operators of drones 55 pounds and above will face even stricter regulations.
 
Finally a job where I can be home every night. Hopefully a drone cert will be very difficult to obtain without a prior pilots license. I'll be happy to stand around when some dude wants to fly his drone. Oh yeah he is getting "instruction" from me.
 
The most contentious point is that the FAA will most likely require flight time in a traditional manned aircraft in order to be certificated to fly a UAS (drone).
 
Personally, I think getting licensed to commercially fly a small (10 lbs or less) quadcopter style UAS should be a much simpler process than a traditional pilot certificate. If it's as complicated (and expensive) as commercial fixed wing or rotorcraft certificate we're going to see a large amount of people circumventing the licensure process.
 
Meh.
It is not the commercial operators that would ever be a problem for us. It is the Richard Cranium who can buy one ready to go from Amazon, charge it up and hover at 1500' over the marker.

I see what you did there....Well played sir, well played.
 
As they should!

FAA (and Seggy apparently) logic

No license required at all (check out the Go Pro on the wing):

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Pilot's license required (possibly a commercial depending on operations):

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I'm always for more government regulation, they know what is best for me.

I usually agree with your sentiment, however in this case I have reservations. There's going to be some huge problems if there isn't some sort of regulatory framework put in place early on. These things are going to be EVERYWHERE, and if you look at youtube, there are FPV drones already flying around at "airplane" altitudes. There needs to be some oversight at this point because of the capabilities of these machines. Frankly, I think the comparison with ultralights has merits in some ways, but misses the point in others. The ultralight pilot has legal limitations on where he/she can fly to in part 103 - just as the drone pilot should have limitations. Additionally, I think for commercial operations or aircraft greater than a certain weight, we need to have a certification process for airworthiness and they need to be controlled by pilots. Think if amazon got approval to deliver packages with these things - imagine 1500 of the things buzzing all over Seattle dropping off packages on a 1800 (or less) RVR day. The people controlling these things need to have an understanding (at least generally speaking) of the other things that are out there in the sky. Imagine the commotion if you ingested a 12 pound quad-copter at 200' on the ILS because there was no oversight over how these things were operated.

We either need a new airspace classification system which carves out a chunk of the NAS for these things (so every manned airplane knows where not to fly) or we need these things to have 2-way-comms, sensors that can see and avoid, and lost-link capabilities that allow them to safely go someplace and land if something breaks down.
 
Whats the difference between a "drone" and an R/C airplane? Intent of operations? Weight? Honest question. I wonder if some of the scale models would be heavy enough to be a drone?
This thing scares me more than a quad-copter with a Go-Pro:

... think of how much ANFO that thing could carry.
 
I'm totally in favor of licensing to participate in our airspace. That's how it works now with manned aircraft, with specific licenses & ratings required to operate different types of aircraft in different airspace and meteorological conditions. And recurrency. And medical. Do it for hire? That's a different set of rules. For charity? Another set.

Requiring operators to pass written & practical exams, and be issued some form of "type rating," makes sense and is easy to implement.
 
I've got a friend who operates UAVs for a very well-known manufacturer. His company pays handsomely to put all of their pilots through PPL and IR training to give them better SA about what they're doing. UAVs tend to be very expensive. :)
 
Those Amazon Delivery Drones? Not So Fast
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Commercial drone use is on the rise in big industry, including filmmaking, farming and construction. The rush to the skies comes…

One of the first milestones in the U.S. for commercial drones was the co-founding of 3D Robotics Inc. in 2009 by the former editor of Wired magazine Chris Anderson. The firm is now one of the leading makers of consumer drones and flight-control systems that customers use to build their own drones. Mr. Anderson is also the founder of DIYDrones.com, a popular forum for drone enthusiasts.David Paul Morris/Bloomberg News

In 2010, Parrot SA debuts its AR.Drone, a quadcopter that is controlled by a user’s smartphone priced at $300. It becomes a starter drone for many enthusiasts.Yoshikazu Tsuno/AFP/Getty Images

Chinese drone maker SZ DJI Technology Co. in January 2013 releases the DJI Phantom, an easy-to-fly quadcopter priced under $1,000 that can carry a GoPro camera. The device becomes popular for capturing aerial footage. DJI has sold thousands of units in the U.S. and abroad. DJI North America/Associated Press

Amazon.com Inc. in December 2013 unveils its plan to deliver packages via drone, a service it dubs Amazon Prime Air. The company showcases a prototype on ‘60 Minutes’ and says its drones would eventually be able to deliver small packages in less than 30 minutes. Drones take a big step in the public consciousness from machines of war to commercial gadgets. Amazon

In June 2014, BP PLC signs a five-year contract to use drones made by AeroVironment Inc. at its oil operations in Alaska, the first large-scale, government-approved commercial use of unmanned aircraft in the U.S. The FAA has approved one other drone for commercial use, the 40-pound ScanEagle made by a Boeing Co. subsidiary ConocoPhillips used in test flights.
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On Aug. 28, 2014, Google Inc. says it is developing drones to deliver goods. Google unveils a 5-foot-wide single-wing prototype that has carried supplies to two farmers in Queensland, Australia. Google says it began working on drones in 2011 and dubs the plans Project Wing. Google/Associated Press

On Sept. 25, 2014, the Federal Aviation Administration authorizes six filmmaking companies to use unmanned aircraft for their work. Above, a drone on the set of the 2012 James Bond movie ‘Skyfall’ in Istanbul. Flying-Cam

By
Jack Nicas and

Alistair Barr
Updated Nov. 25, 2014 6:02 p.m. ET
Planned federal rules would likely preclude delivery drones being developed by Amazon.com Inc. and Google Inc., and make some other potential drone uses too expensive for small businesses, industry proponents said.

The Federal Aviation Administration is expected to propose rules for commercial drones next month that would mandate operators have pilot licenses and limit drone flights to daytime hours, below 400 feet and within sight of the person at the controls, according to people familiar with the rule-making process.

Those rules would increase the costs and erode the value of operating unmanned aircraft for many businesses, particularly small ones, drone makers and users said. Requiring that users only fly drones within their view would effectively prohibit many commercial applications, including pipeline inspections, large-scale crop monitoring and deliveries, they said. Requiring one person to operate each drone would hurt the economics.

The FAA’s planned rule “is going to be a serious limiter,” said Ryan Calo, a University of Washington law professor who studies robotics policy. “If they were going to have one pilot for each drone, they might as well put someone on a bicycle and send them over to your house.”

Amazon and Google, which want to use drones to deliver small packages, declined to comment.

‘Drones can make jobs less costly and more efficient, but the FAA is pushing them to be more costly and less efficient.’

—Helen Greiner, CEO of CyPhy Works
The FAA has said it wants to take a gradual approach to “integrate unmanned aircraft into the busiest, most complex airspace system in the world” while protecting safety in the air and on the ground. The agency says it aims to propose rules that balance the promise of the technology with the risk; airline pilots increasingly report mid-air drone sightings, including three incidents near John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York last week.

Other federal departments are reviewing the agency’s draft rule, a process that could change some details and delay its release. It will likely take one to two years before the rule is completed, after public comments.

The FAA now allows recreational drone flights but effectively bans commercial use. The planned rules are intended to gradually open U.S. skies to commercial unmanned aircraft; the agency has said it plans to allow more drone operations as technology improves.

In the near term, though, drone backers say the agency’s planned rules would stifle the industry. Companies could still use unmanned aircraft to film movies, create maps and inspect buildings. But drones likely wouldn’t be efficient for scouting for natural resources or inspecting miles of power lines.

In agriculture, for example, it might take a day to survey a farm using drones under the planned FAA rules, compared with 30 minutes in a small airplane, said Patrick Egan, a drone advocate and consultant in Sacramento, Calif. Other rules, such as requiring a pilot’s license, would further increase costs, he said.

Helen Greiner, chief executive of drone maker CyPhy Works Inc., said the planned rules would unduly affect small businesses. Requiring a farmer, claims adjuster or realtor to get a pilot’s license “changes the entire cost structure,” said Ms. Greiner, who cofounded iRobot Corp. in 1990. “Drones can make jobs less costly and more efficient, but the FAA is pushing them to be more costly and less efficient.”

Ms. Greiner and others warn that more permissive regulations in countries such as Canada, France and Germany are pushing U.S. drone makers abroad.

Google tested its delivery drones in Australia, running more than 30 flights in farming country west of Brisbane, Queensland. The company delivered packages at distances of about two-thirds of a mile, well beyond a pilot’s sight.

Amazon is trying to hire flight-safety and testing experts in Cambridge, U.K., for its drone program. The company is testing its drones indoors in Seattle. Amazon asked the FAA in July to let it test its vehicles in a field near its Seattle headquarters, but the agency has not yet responded.

The technology to make drone deliveries safe and reliable may still be years away, meaning rules could be more accommodating by the time the devices are ready for the market.

In December 2013, Amazon Chief Executive Jeff Bezos said his company could start using drones for deliveries within four to five years, depending partly on FAA approvals.

Eileen Shibley, founder of drone maker Monarch Inc., said there are many unanswered questions about delivery drones, including what happens when they fly near power lines or congested areas. “These delivery programs are a great idea, but we are not ready yet, practically and culturally,” she said.
 
You can fly your toy around all day long at 400agl and below its the commercial ops that they are limiting. If they require a commercial to do anything to get paid in aviation and shut down the ride share stuff too then screw it make everyone have a csel to operate a drone for hire. They are going to take yer jobs in many areas with theses things to the point where getting that 1500 for the atp will just be about impossible. We have people get into shootouts over a dog in the yard. If Bezos thinks flying a drone across the neighbor's airspace won't piss off a lot of landowners he hasn't been to Texas yet.
 
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