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Boyington said:
If only 60% of the training department would washout, and good people would move in to those spots, AMF would be much better place.
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When I was doing interviewing, I'd always give Sheri a heads up of candidates that I felt would be good training captains. You could just tell by their attitudes, personalities, and composure. I agree that there needs to be a shake up in the initial portions of the training department. I think they definitely need to to hiring recently graduated low time riddle grads who don't know their rear ends from their elbows....who don't enough flying experience to train anyone on a high performance aircraft. IMHO
 
KLB said:
When I was doing interviewing, I'd always give Sheri a heads up of candidates that I felt would be good training captains. You could just tell by their attitudes, personalities, and composure. I agree that there needs to be a shake up in the initial portions of the training department. I think they definitely need to to hiring recently graduated low time riddle grads who don't know their rear ends from their elbows....who don't enough flying experience to train anyone on a high performance aircraft. IMHO
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What good would that do?...serious question.
 
Beech90 said:
What good would that do?...serious question.
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There needs to be a change in the culture in the training department a riddle guys feed into the current culture. From the 4 aircraft I've trained in only the initial training, the Chieftan was the only one where I felt that the training was more pushy and coaching rather than teaching. Once you're in the "inside" group you hear how negatively the talk about the trainees behind closed doors. They show a lack of respect and professionalism.

I believe that a pilot going into AMF's training regime should come in with a certain skill set, but take it from me (someone who has done many of their interviews. I can say that I might have interviewed about 40 pilots in 3 years) that the interview process those a good job of weeding out the weak pilots.

A pilot hired should make it through training. There should not be a 60% failure rate. That's an initial training issue.

I believe it has lot to do with leadership and the people that is hired under that person.
 
The training department can be described as childish. As KLB mentioned, the instructors do joke about how many people that they fail out of their classes. It somehow makes them feel better (or more important) to show that they are better than the new hires/upgrades. I think that it goes back to the overwhelming feeling at AMF that they better than all other pilots (as can be seen in several threads on this board). It stands to reason that if you are in the training department at AMF, you must be the "best of the best".

It is all BS.
 
Beech90 said:
Only 3/10 of the ABQ pilots we hired from the 135 operation we took over made it through training. Current washout rate averages 60%.
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This is unreal!! Why would they wash out guys that have pretty much already been doing the job that they are being trained for? Wouldn't it be prudent to work with these guys and bring them up to speed rather then train new guys?

So glad I made it out of that place with No failures and my health intact. People don't realize how bad it is until they get better jobs. SMH
 
Boyington said:
The training department can be described as childish. As KLB mentioned, the instructors do joke about how many people that they fail out of their classes. It somehow makes them feel better (or more important) to show that they are better than the new hires/upgrades. I think that it goes back to the overwhelming feeling at AMF that they better than all other pilots (as can be seen in several threads on this board). It stands to reason that if you are in the training department at AMF, you must be the "best of the best".

It is all BS.
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Best part of my initial training was that I went to college with one of the AMF instructors (not friends, but we had a ton of classes together). I knew he sucked and he knew that I knew he sucked. It was fun watching his B.S. "I'm better then you attitude" when everybody knew he only had 500hrs and couldnt even fly the line.
 
The problem is, you're not going to change the training culture until you get rid of the top management. The top guys sit around with beers and say the same exact thing as the check airmen and training captains. That and the already stated fact that the training dept doesn't train.
 
KLB said:
There needs to be a change in the culture in the training department a riddle guys feed into the current culture. From the 4 aircraft I've trained in only the initial training, the Chieftan was the only one where I felt that the training was more pushy and coaching rather than teaching. Once you're in the "inside" group you hear how negatively the talk about the trainees behind closed doors. They show a lack of respect and professionalism.

I believe that a pilot going into AMF's training regime should come in with a certain skill set, but take it from me (someone who has done many of their interviews. I can say that I might have interviewed about 40 pilots in 3 years) that the interview process those a good job of weeding out the weak pilots.

A pilot hired should make it through training. There should not be a 60% failure rate. That's an initial training issue.

I believe it has lot to do with leadership and the people that is hired under that person.
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Absolutely BINGO
 
mikecweb said:
I went through the 1 week ground and metro training and it was the easiest school I've ever gone through.
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They're trying to get metro training to be done at the FSI in Texas(I think the one in Dallas has a metro sim?). Anyway combine that with the fact there's a new program manager, and I feel the metro program will go to ssssss/hitttt$$ too.
 
mikecweb said:
I went through the 1 week ground and metro training and it was the easiest school I've ever gone through.
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I would have to say it was definitely more enjoyable than 99 initial.
Beech90 said:
They're trying to get metro training to be done at the FSI in Texas(I think the one in Dallas has a metro sim?). Anyway combine that with the fact there's a new program manager, and I feel the metro program will go to ssssss/hitttt$$ too.
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San Antonio is where they are going to be doing the Metro training at FSI and the new program manager wants to make the training like the BRO, where all the training and checkride is in the sim and then IOE on the line.
 
Boyington said:
The training department can be described as childish. As KLB mentioned, the instructors do joke about how many people that they fail out of their classes. It somehow makes them feel better (or more important) to show that they are better than the new hires/upgrades. I think that it goes back to the overwhelming feeling at AMF that they better than all other pilots (as can be seen in several threads on this board). It stands to reason that if you are in the training department at AMF, you must be the "best of the best".

It is all BS.
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How come almost all AMF'ers must go to a regional and not directly to a real major, if they are so good?
 
Cpt Cook said:
Best part of my initial training was that I went to college with one of the AMF instructors (not friends, but we had a ton of classes together). I knew he sucked and he knew that I knew he sucked. It was fun watching his B.S. "I'm better then you attitude" when everybody knew he only had 500hrs and couldnt even fly the line.
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See what happens when you give the typical egomaniacal big name aviation university grad a little bit of perceived power by making him an instructor in an airplane that he can't even fly on the line for his own company.
 
mikecweb said:
I went through the 1 week ground and metro training and it was the easiest school I've ever gone through.
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Metro training was taken seriously at AMF since the plane is such a mess. Completely different training atmosphere compared to the in house stuff.

I had the unfortunate pleasure of having the same PA31 instructors do my BE99 training. BE99 training wasn't any good till I got to my training captain. Didn't help half my training was in a 1900C FTD.
 
Well they need to do something about training, my base is loosing 4 of 7 99 qualified guys within the next two weeks. I believe one more was changing bases as well.
 
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