ATP Rotorcraft

[Richman]

Oh that one, due to the SFAR. Kind of a funny one because its not a type rating in the classic sense as we know it, moreso an endorsement having had the training/checkout for it, like the JAAs use where it is known as a formal type rating. Though the US used to actually have type ratings for nearly every model of helo, I think mostly they've gone the way of heavy helo's consistent with fixed wing.

Negative Ghostrider. Has nothing to do with the SFAR (my ATP/type pre-date the SFAR by a good number of years), or "type endorsement". The FAA didn't start getting interested in doing things the backwards Euro way until the 2000's.

It's as real a part 61 type rating as any other, so please, try again. 2 guesses remaining.

Richman

 

[MikeD]

Negative Ghostrider. Has nothing to do with the SFAR (my ATP/type pre-date the SFAR by a good number of years), or "type endorsement". The FAA didn't start getting interested in doing things the backwards Euro way until the 2000's.

It's as real a part 61 type rating as any other, so please, try again. 2 guesses remaining.

Richman

I know there used to be type ratings for all the various helos before the FAA changed it to the heavy helos; was the same time that a type like SH-70 changed to S-70. Used to be Bell 47, Hughes 500, etc. And even those used to be placed on the pilot certificate.

I'm not doubting it's real, so don't take personal offense to my comments brother (as none was intended), I was just relating what it's like these days in how everything has seemingly been euro-ified and is going that way.

 

[Richman]

I know there used to be type ratings for all the various helos before the FAA changed it to the heavy helos; was the same time that a type like SH-70 changed to S-70. Used to be Bell 47, Hughes 500, etc. And even those used to be placed on the pilot certificate.

I'm not doubting it's real, so don't take personal offense to my comments brother (as none was intended), I was just relating what it's like these days in how everything has seemingly been euro-ified and is going that way.

None taken.

Actually, it was under Part 61 - Type Ratings (don't remember the dot number, it was 1991). Along with all turbojet powered aircraft, "Large Aircraft", and any aircraft so deemed by the Administrator, you had "Any rotorcraft used in an operation requiring an Airline Transport Certificate". So, in theory, that same TwinStar you could be-bop around in Part 135 didn't need a type, but once you started conducing ops under part 121, then you needed the type. Go figure.

As a result, any helicopter you took an ATP checkride in, also gave you the relevant type rating. Which pretty much means it could have been any or all of them.

I believe this was eliminated in the great Part 61 re-write of 1997.

In any event, unless the heilo you're taking the ride in is no-kidding single pilot IFR, the examiner will act as a co-pilot. It makes it easy peasy.

Richman

 

[MikeD]

None taken.

Actually, it was under Part 61 - Type Ratings (don't remember the dot number, it was 1991). Along with all turbojet powered aircraft, "Large Aircraft", and any aircraft so deemed by the Administrator, you had "Any rotorcraft used in an operation requiring an Airline Transport Certificate". So, in theory, that same TwinStar you could be-bop around in Part 135 didn't need a type, but once you started conducing ops under part 121, then you needed the type. Go figure.

As a result, any helicopter you took an ATP checkride in, also gave you the relevant type rating. Which pretty much means it could have been any or all of them.

I believe this was eliminated in the great Part 61 re-write of 1997.

In any event, unless the heilo you're taking the ride in is no-kidding single pilot IFR, the examiner will act as a co-pilot. It makes it easy peasy.

Richman

As usual, our wonderful FAA is here to help us

The old type ratings reference you cite, I remember seeing it long ago, and it had nearly every helo in there, as I was mentioning, even Hughes 300 and other barely-2000lb machines! It is indeed entertaining to see one of those on one's certificate alongside other type's such as B737/747, DC-9, DC-6, etc.