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Gonzo said:
They are never really weak because the game is rigged.
The fact that you don't understand that the game is rigged means you don't even understand the game you're playing.
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"Of course the game is rigged. But you can't win if you don't play."
- Heinlein
 
CRJDriver said:
I thought we had 3 guys on ERJ side vote No.
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"THEY" did, however "our" MEC was unanimous.

Your reps represent YOU, not their reps representing you.

Screaming_Emu said:
Proves my point even more actually if your numbers are right. Entire MEC thought it was a good TA. 82% of voting pilots didn't agree.
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My numbers are 100% accurate.
 
Firebird2XC said:
In OTHER WORDS, voting no didn't trigger anything that wasn't already in motion anyways.

And time continues to change the landscape of things.

Their move. And man do they look weak right now.
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Well, they had nothing to lose either way. On the one hand, they do what they were planning anyway, and lock in well below market wages for 10 years. On the other, well, nothing changes. No reason for them to do anything. My guess? Slap a token pay cut on another employee group, after a carefully crafted PR campaign blaming the greedy pilots. Makes for a nice message to give to the press, and fits with the divide and conquer strategy. But more likely, they do nothing. Which leaves uncertainty, and makes negotiation easier with the next pilot group.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Well, they had nothing to lose either way. On the one hand, they do what they were planning anyway, and lock in well below market wages for 10 years. On the other, well, nothing changes. No reason for them to do anything. My guess? Slap a token pay cut on another employee group, after a carefully crafted PR campaign blaming the greedy pilots. Makes for a nice message to give to the press, and fits with the divide and conquer strategy. But more likely, they do nothing. Which leaves uncertainty, and makes negotiation easier with the next pilot group.
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Maybe. But pilot groups are communicating better than ever before. And we all know what's been done and is being done.

And to borrow from JTrain, I'd rather 'die with my boots on' than cower in the corner like a chihuahua on meth.

They want my paltry pay? Then they're going to have to COME AND TAKE IT.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Maybe. But pilot groups are communicating better than ever before. And we all know what's been done and is being done.

And to borrow from JTrain, I'd rather 'die with my boots on' than cower in the corner like a chihuahua on meth.

They want my paltry pay? Then they're going to have to COME AND TAKE IT.
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That's fine if that's what you're after, just understand that you're not gunning for higher pay; you're gunning for a new job after cratering the one you currently have.

If that's the goal, then burn it with fire. If it's not, folks need to re-evaluate just WTF it is that they're doing.
 
jtrain609 said:
That's fine if that's what you're after, just understand that you're not gunning for higher pay; you're gunning for a new job after cratering the one you currently have.

If that's the goal, then burn it with fire. If it's not, folks need to re-evaluate just WTF it is that they're doing.
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Maybe. But the point here is they said they'd shut us down (crater our jobs) if we didn't roll over, and when we didn't, and asked, all they did was say nothing was really gonna change after all.

I'm not really sure what's up with you. You used to be a revolutionary. When did you get soft?
 
Firebird2XC said:
Maybe. But the point here is they said they'd shut us down (crater our jobs) if we didn't roll over, and when we didn't, and asked, all they did was say nothing was really gonna change after all.
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Nothing really gonna change? You must have not read the same letter as the rest of us.

I'm not really sure what's up with you. You used to be a revolutionary. When did you get soft?
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You misspelled "smart."
 
Firebird2XC said:
Maybe. But the point here is they said they'd shut us down (crater our jobs) if we didn't roll over, and when we didn't, and asked, all they did was say nothing was really gonna change after all.

I'm not really sure what's up with you. You used to be a revolutionary. When did you get soft?
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It's probably just better education; I realized that being a revolutionary means picking your battles and knowing which hills to die on. The average sergeant may think that EVERY hill is the one to die on because "OOHRAH," where their commanding officers know better.

Or maybe I just got soft.
 
jtrain609 said:
It's probably just better education; I realized that being a revolutionary means picking your battles and knowing which hills to die on. The average sergeant may think that EVERY hill is the one to die on because "OOHRAH," where their commanding officers know better.

Or maybe I just got soft.
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Surrendering and bailing to a different army isn't exactly "dying with your boots on."

Just saying.
 
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