Canadair Crash at ASE / Aspen Eagle, Colorado

Roger Roger said:
Hooooooly monkeys.

Anyone else notice the snow swirling around on ramp on the footage, especially camera 4?
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Yes, that immediately made a big impression on me. Those winds were howling at their backs. I cannot imagine trying to land in that. Heck, even a TW of a few knots feels really weird.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Yes, that immediately made a big impression on me. Those winds were howling at their backs. I cannot imagine trying to land in that. Heck, even a TW of a few knots feels really weird.
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I'd do it in the Garavan, but that has a stall speed of about 50 and insta-beta.
 
Looks like he tried to force it back to the runway.

I especially liked the guy at the end kicking the car as if to say, "Damn, now we're never getting out of here!" or maybe, "Damn, now the FFA is going to look at every one of our approaches with a tailwind!"
 
Without revisiting the entire 15 pages, has anyone talked about the fallout that is going to occur to the multiple aircraft who were in direct violation for landing prior to the accident aircraft?
 
canadian_atc said:
That was easily one of the hardest videos to watch. You just sit there in disbelief.

Complete arm chairing here, but getting that much nose down authority must have required an incredible push on the stick
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I sort of thought the same thing. Even wondered a bit whether it wasn't a scenario where whoever was least crazy in the cockpit said "screw this we're going around" and the other guy said "nuh uh, we're landing". It will be interesting reading in a year or two when the report comes out, I expect.
 
GypsyPilot said:
What's so important to warrant landing in up to 30 kts of TW?
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Sorry, previous post didn't come over right.

What I meant to say was, it could be done on a long runway in a plane with a very slow stall speed and instant BETA. There are even some situations where landing with a pretty good tailwind might be the only way to get in, and in those cases the advantage of a smaller, slower airplane could make it a perfectly safe and viable option. But my limited understanding of the operating characteristics of jets leads me to believe that attempting this in a Challenger is generally considered to be a bad idea. Or at least, pushing it that far after it became evident that things were not working out was.
 
What's with the never-ending vertical oscillation, all the way from (at least) a couple of hundred feet all the way through to the hard touch down? What appears to be a balloon after initial touchdown looks to me as continuation of the oscillation that started as he rounded into the flare.
 
In the Dash, we can do up to 20 kts of tailwind but there are some pretty specific airplane and runway conditions that have to be met.

Someone on PPW mentioned that the nose down after the bounce could have been caused by the stick pusher.
 
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