How is FAR 117 negatively impacting you?

cencal83406 said:
8 hour reduced rest notwithstanding, would you feel more rested after 1 night at home or 1 night in a hotel (assuming equal sleep/wake times and responsibilities on either end)? I know I feel more rested after a night at home. Now I have less or those. But hey, I was gifted 32 hours in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Please, examine my head.
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Oh, I shall! ;)

Re: "Our pairings are bad, and I feel bad:" I know. As I understand things, the Shiny Jet side of the company has a lot of the same sort of nonsense going on. I didn't say the transition would be smooth or immediate, but I still believe this is a win.

My job, first and foremost, is safety. This is a tremendous safety win. The Industry(tm) will figure it out. Indeed, the new rules offer some opportunities to be frighteningly efficient as long as your pairing builders can get enough on the ball to make it happen.

The NTSB has repeatedly chided commuter/regional operations about fatigue:
[Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Inc.] scheduled reduced rest periods for about 60 percent of the layovers in its day-to-day operations. The Safety Board believes that this practice is inconsistent with the level of safety intended by the regulations, which is to allow reduced rest periods as a contingency to a schedule disruption, and has the potential of adversely affecting pilot fitness and performance.
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(Acey 2311)
[F]actors that facilitate the development of fatigue in the accident pilots included the length of their duty day and the type of flying throughout that day (and the previous two days). At the time of the accident, it had been more than 15 hours since the pilots' last significant sleep period, and they had been on duty for 14 1/2 hours. ... Additionally, the pilots' high workload during their long day may have increased their fatigue. The accident occurred during the sixth flight segment of the day while the pilots were performing a nonprecision approach in low ceilings and reduced visibility. The pilot deficiencies observed in this accident could be consistent with fatigue impairment...consistent with the degrading effects of fatigue, the captain made a risky decision to continue the approach based on inadequate visual cues...The Safety Board concludes that, on the basis of the less than optimal overnight rest time available, the early reporting time for duty, the length of the duty day, the number of flight legs, the demanding conditions encountered during the long duty day (and the two previous days) it is likely that fatigue contributed to the pilots' degraded performance and decision-making.
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(Corporate 5966, emphasis added for emphasis. These guys would have been pumpkins under the new rules.)

Then there's Colgan 3407, the entirety of the accident report I won't repeat here. And that's just stuff from the low/slow/no-dough side. Fatigue kills and it's been sixty years since the FAA has done anything about it.

This is about safety. I'm on board. Your company will adjust--so will mine. And we'll be awake for all of it.

I agree with @Firebird2XC, in other words:
Firebird2XC said:
The industry will try to make a crap sandwich out if this even if only to pout on losing the battle.

Things will get better.
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So if this is tl;dr, read his post. :D
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Oh, I shall! ;)

Re: "Our pairings are bad, and I feel bad:" I know. As I understand things, the Shiny Jet side of the company has a lot of the same sort of nonsense going on. I didn't say the transition would be smooth or immediate, but I still believe this is a win.

My job, first and foremost, is safety. This is a tremendous safety win. The Industry(tm) will figure it out. Indeed, the new rules offer some opportunities to be frighteningly efficient as long as your pairing builders can get enough on the ball to make it happen.

The NTSB has repeatedly chided commuter/regional operations about fatigue:

(Acey 2311)

(Corporate 5966, emphasis added for emphasis. These guys would have been pumpkins under the new rules.)

Then there's Colgan 3407, the entirety of the accident report I won't repeat here. And that's just stuff from the low/slow/no-dough side. Fatigue kills and it's been sixty years since the FAA has done anything about it.

This is about safety. I'm on board. Your company will adjust--so will mine. And we'll be awake for all of it.

I agree with @Firebird2XC, in other words:

So if this is tl;dr, read his post. :D
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I hope so guys. I am totally in agreement that the rest rules needed to be overhauled. My idea of overhauled was a bit different. Perhaps they could have made it as simple as removing SCHEDULED reduced rest and requiring 8 hours behind the door. The duty hour table is IMHO overkill.

However, that being said, any serious discussion on the subject, which we wanted to have major change in, required scientific backing because that is the currency of knowledge. Therefore, the science said these duty times matched circadian rhythms.

I wish I could fly more in a day, and have higher limits on weekly, monthly, and yearly flying, since the duty times have addressed the problem.

Not sure about you guys, but I don't get nearly as fatigued flying as I do having 3-4 hour sits between flights on daily basis.
 
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amorris311 said:
No I never complained to you because all you ask about are our crew meals, which was not too bad the other day.

Keep telling yourself you moved to camp continental because of raising a family. I think it's hilarious you preached about moving to base being a bad idea while you were shopping for houses. Speaking of that, have you invited @L-16B over yet?
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I need to show him some legendary houston dining options such as ninfas for Mexican and Goode company or gatlins for BBQ.
 
I had some Pappasito's a couple weeks ago, damn good. I don't know if that is legendary enough but the Capt sure made it sound like it was...
 
cencal83406 said:
8 hour reduced rest notwithstanding, would you feel more rested after 1 night at home or 1 night in a hotel (assuming equal sleep/wake times and responsibilities on either end)? I know I feel more rested after a night at home. Now I have less or those. But hey, I was gifted 32 hours in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

Please, examine my head.
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Kind of how I feel about the changes on the international side too.

Instead of me being home for that day, I'll be sitting in a hotel now. Woo!

Breakfast buffet, but no need to clock watch because the van's tomorrow. Umm, woot.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
I had some Pappasito's a couple weeks ago, damn good. I don't know if that is legendary enough but the Capt sure made it sound like it was...
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God no. Its a chain! Its popular and always packed - but its no mama ninfas. Where do y'all stay in IAH? I assume up it redneckville by humble/IAH
 
L-16B said:
God no. Its a chain! Its popular and always packed - but its no mama ninfas. Where do y'all stay in IAH? I assume up it redneckville by humble/IAH
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It's all about Chuy's.

And I love everything by Pappa's.

Also I LOVE Houston's. Prob my favorite restaurant. We had one in Austin. Ever been?


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Seggy said:
It's all about Chuy's.

And I love everything by Pappa's.

Also I LOVE Houston's. Prob my favorite restaurant. We had one in Austin. Ever been?


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They have a delicious blue plate special. I can park my Lark right out front and they're so friendly! :)
 
Give the scheduling committees time to work on the companies.

The bean counters are gonna try to run this so we do more with less rather than hire a guy or two.

Give it time.
 
Seggy said:
It's all about Chuy's.

And I love everything by Pappa's.

Also I LOVE Houston's. Prob my favorite restaurant. We had one in Austin. Ever been?


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If I wasn't your friend I would have so much good material here with just the three lines you wrote.
 
Seggy said:
It's all about Chuy's.

And I love everything by Pappa's.

Also I LOVE Houston's. Prob my favorite restaurant. We had one in Austin. Ever been?


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Chuys is good there is one on westheimer. The pork chop at Houston's is to die for, much better than my second favorite at Emerils in MSY. There is one by Joel Osteens palace in Houston. Papas BBQ is good as well, and the oysters at their seafood restaraunt is good, not to be confused with papadeaux their Cajun seafood spot.

But for Mexican, don't nothin beat mama ninfas!
 
Derg said:
Lost me right there. But admittedly, I'm more of a Sonora- and Baja-Mexican food fan. The "Tex Mex" — meh, not so much.
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That's true, when us Texans say Mexican by default we mean Tex Mex. Gotta have our fajitas :)
 
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