New PSA TA?

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Out and Proud said:
I'm not here to make a decent wage at a regional. I understand what a regional is and what it's purpose is.... it's a stepping stone to the majors. I AM here to make a more than decent wage at a MAJOR. If that requires a few years of subpar wages at a regional, so be it. I don't plan on staying at the regional any longer than I have to.
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This is the reason regionals are still at the pay they currently are. And also the reason PSA will probably vote to pass this TA. What happens when you don't make it to a major or the industry takes a turn for the worse like it has many times in the past decade? It's all a race to the bottom for the regionals, and because of people like you they get away with it. God forbid another terrorist attack happens but hypothetically speaking what if it does, and the industry spirals out of control? Are you prepared to take 4th year pay with no foreseeable upgrade to captain for 10 years?
 
Out and Proud said:
I'm not here to make a decent wage at a regional. I understand what a regional is and what it's purpose is.... it's a stepping stone to the majors. I AM here to make a more than decent wage at a MAJOR. If that requires a few years of subpar wages at a regional, so be it. I don't plan on staying at the regional any longer than I have to.
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Why don't you ask @Screaming_Emu, @SurferLucas, @Gonzo, @ready2fly .... how long a few years is?
 
I've made some "personal" :) contacts with major airline pilots, some of whom are chief pilots and recruiters, through NGPA. They have told me they will help me personally when the time comes.
 
Out and Proud said:
I've made some "personal" :) contacts with major airline pilots, some of whom are chief pilots and recruiters, through NGPA. They have told me they will help me personally when the time comes.
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That will work better for you than any "OMG we'll give you an interview come here right now!" tactic ever will. Keep networking and you'll be just fine.
 
Out and Proud said:
I've made some "personal" :) contacts with major airline pilots, some of whom are chief pilots and recruiters, through NGPA. They have told me they will help me personally when the time comes.
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Move upwards and onwards, that is great, don't get me wrong..but I hate to sound like a Richard, when that sounds to me like you don't care about the rest of your pilot group as long as you move on. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. ??? Best regards to the PSA guys though.
 
Out and Proud said:
I've made some "personal" :) contacts with major airline pilots, some of whom are chief pilots and recruiters, through NGPA. They have told me they will help me personally when the time comes.
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Lots of guys out there have those same contacts. Or better ones. Just slow your roll a little bit and focus on getting hired at a regional that has pay and benefits that you can live with for a long time.

I know a guy who was best friends with the son of the director of training at a major airline. He figured all he needed to do was go to a regional, get some flight time and as soon as the big boys started hiring again (this was right after 9-11) he'd be on his way. He upgraded after about 2 years (which was very fortunate) and then 3 weeks later he made a bad decision and did a large amount of damage to the plane. He was able to keep his job but took a 3 month suspension of his license. 6 months later the major his friend's dad worked for started hiring but he was told that with the incident and suspension on his record there was no way they would hire him. Then the economy tanked and age 65 happened and suddenly it's 10 years later and he's still trying to get out of the regional game.

tl;dr: Don't be an idiot and gamble your "contacts" against the industry. Also, don't degrade a part of the industry because you think you will only be there for a short period of time. And finally, don't EVER advance your career at the expense of the industry.
 
Pass it or die.

It seems to be the current theme coming from MECs. Courtesy of Pinnacle, and now it has achieved the necessary exposure thanks to the early adopters.
 
BobDDuck said:
Lots of guys out there have those same contacts. Or better ones. Just slow your roll a little bit and focus on getting hired at a regional that has pay and benefits that you can live with for a long time.

I know a guy who was best friends with the son of the director of training at a major airline. He figured all he needed to do was go to a regional, get some flight time and as soon as the big boys started hiring again (this was right after 9-11) he'd be on his way. He upgraded after about 2 years (which was very fortunate) and then 3 weeks later he made a bad decision and did a large amount of damage to the plane. He was able to keep his job but took a 3 month suspension of his license. 6 months later the major his friend's dad worked for started hiring but he was told that with the incident and suspension on his record there was no way they would hire him. Then the economy tanked and age 65 happened and suddenly it's 10 years later and he's still trying to get out of the regional game.

tl;dr: Don't be an idiot and gamble your "contacts" against the industry. Also, don't degrade a part of the industry because you think you will only be there for a short period of time. And finally, don't EVER advance your career at the expense of the industry.
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According to your story, If this guy wasn't an idiot and hadn't bent metal, it sounds like his contact at the major would have paid off. For me, it's a gamble worth taking. I will not be a regional lifer.
 
surreal1221 said:
Pass it or die.

It seems to be the current theme coming from MECs. Courtesy of Pinnacle, and now it has achieved the necessary exposure thanks to the early adopters.
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Why does it seem to be the popular mantra from groups that its pinnacle's fault? Say pinnacle voted it down and Delta subsequently shut them down. That would be two airlines in less than a year. What do you think you guys would be voting on then?
 
Out and Proud said:
According to your story, If this guy wasn't an idiot and hadn't bent metal, it sounds like his contact at the major would have paid off. For me, it's a gamble worth taking. I will not be a regional lifer.
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I remember when i was a wet behind the ears CFI too. Cut him some slack. He's pretty clueless in the QOL game. Most of us were there once too, but a lot of us didn't have shiny jet syndrom. That is why i'm at Eagle, flying an old RJ, making a semi decent living, but preparing to be comair'ed because of attitudes like this guy's.

It will all sink in when he goes to a place like republic with his "guaranteed interview" from ATP or *insert flight school here*. They'll tell him "yea we are hiring for the E-170". So he signs on, shows up to training, and gets switched to the Q400. Then a little later down the road, flights start cancelling, hes away from home for 10 days straight, with 700 a month take home pay living in a run down crash pad, not being able to pay the bills going "where did my shiny new airplanes, and interview at the majors go?"

I can haz job now?
 
Aviator1988 said:
I remember when i was a wet behind the ears CFI too. Cut him some slack. He's pretty clueless in the QOL game. Most of us were there once too, but a lot of us didn't have shiny jet syndrom. That is why i'm at Eagle, flying an old RJ, making a semi decent living, but preparing to be comair'ed because of attitudes like this guy's.

It will all sink in when he goes to a place like republic with his "guaranteed interview" from ATP or *insert flight school here*. They'll tell him "yea we are hiring for the E-170". So he signs on, shows up to training, and gets switched to the Q400. Then a little later down the road, flights start cancelling, hes away from home for 10 days straight, with 700 a month take home pay living in a run down crash pad, not being able to pay the bills going "where did my shiny new airplanes, and interview at the majors go?"

I can haz job now?
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Eh, I'm all for educating people and showing them the way, but this guy unfortunately isn't showing the best "willing to learn" attitude about the situation. It's kind of funny because I have other CFIs telling me "how it is" at the airlines and they have no clue, despite the fact I've been in close proximity to it for a few years, and even then I don't know jack in the big picture of things. Want to learn and you'll go far. Act like you have nothing to learn? Eh, they'll learn the hard way.
 
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