Steam gauges

[z987k]

ASOS is supposed to be able to do M1/4SM 1/4SM. (supposedly.)

Well I meant if there's a human behind the weather. Then it never goes below 1/2SM or 1800RVR. Physical limitation or something. Fact.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Well I meant if there's a human behind the weather. Then it never goes below 1/2SM or 1800RVR. Physical limitation or something. Fact.

"Horizon's getting in!"

 

[derg]

I'm almost starting to think todays "Sorry, I don't fly steam" is yesterdays, "I'm a Riddle grad, I don't need to instruct"

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

Reminds me of "Minneapolis, do you have an RVR for Marquette?"

"Yeah, sure. What do you need?"

"Well, hopefully it's at least 1800"

"It's 1800."

Hmm.

I've had:

Me: 'Request holding at the outer marker.'
ATC: 'Sure. How long do you want to hold?'
Me: 'Until the RVR is up to 1800 or I decide to divert.'
ATC: 'Roger. Hold at the locator outer marker as published, expect further clearance 2350 time now 2320.'

... 2 minutes later...
ATC: 'Information zulu now current, runway 17R RVR 1800, overcast 200 feet.'

 

[derg]

I've had:

Me: 'Request holding at the outer marker.'
ATC: 'Sure. How long do you want to hold?'
Me: 'Until the RVR is up to 1800 or I decide to divert.'
ATC: 'Roger. Hold at the locator outer marker as published, expect further clearance 2350 time now 2320.'

... 2 minutes later...
ATC: 'Information zulu now current, runway 17R RVR 1800, overcast 200 feet.'

"if ya don't see it, t'ain't our problem!"

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I'm almost starting to think todays "Sorry, I don't fly steam" is yesterdays, "I'm a Riddle grad, I don't need to instruct"

 

[JFlighttt]

Guess it's not as common as those rich kids doing all their training in glass with the G1000 172s and SR22s, then they come over here and ask what those round things are....

/facepalm

 

[smack300]

This is why you want steam. That is all that is man right there.

 

[cezzna]

So there aren't any puppy mills that do all glass? That's a good thing. Probably more of a private pilot phenomena. I miss steam gauges. I've been pure EFIS for 15 years now.

We're probably on the way to making it an endorsement, like tail wheel.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

This is why you want steam. That is all that is man right there.

Oh please, that's a jet.

THIS, is all that is man:

So there aren't any puppy mills that do all glass? That's a good thing. Probably more of a private pilot phenomena. I miss steam gauges. I've been pure EFIS for 15 years now.

We're probably on the way to making it an endorsement, like tail wheel.

The fact that you can get an instrument rating in either a steam or a glass airplane, then hop into the opposite and legally fly it to 200-1/2 speaks volumes about our obsolete pilot certification system.

(Insurance may protest, but that's another story.)

 

[mastermags]

The very first skill you learn, or should learn in instrument flying is a scan. There is no scan in a glass cockpit.

 

[A Life Aloft]

The Queen

 

[Buzo]

I have spent most of my professional career flying Steam gauges. It is easier to fly glass if you have the basics. My career has sent me back and forth between the two.

B-1900
CRJ
EMB-120
CRJ
747-200
DC-9
MD88/90
A320
DC-9
A320

 

[z987k]

So there aren't any puppy mills that do all glass? That's a good thing. Probably more of a private pilot phenomena. I miss steam gauges. I've been pure EFIS for 15 years now.

We're probably on the way to making it an endorsement, like tail wheel.

It should read, if you are over the age of 40, you need one, otherwise you're grandfathered in.

 

[Seggy]

Even if we didn't have mechanical ADIs hanging around, the scan is still "conventional," "steam," or "old school" - whatever you want to call basic attitude instrument flying, that's what it is.

You have an autopilot, Flight Attendant, and APU so it's not old school as you may think.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

You have an autopilot, Flight Attendant, and APU so it's not old school as you may think.

And a door. Thank god.

 

[dasleben]

And a door. Thank god.

Freight is great!

I actually got a chance recently to fly the original 767 fast/slow + round dial setup rather than the speed tape I was used to. Loved it. Perfect for reptilian pilot brains.

 

[Louie1975]

Anyone go from the A320 to the DC9 at Southernjets? Is that hard?

 

[drunkenbeagle]

The fact that you can get an instrument rating in either a steam or a glass airplane, then hop into the opposite and legally fly it to 200-1/2 speaks volumes about our obsolete pilot certification system.

Why? If you are proficient enough to get an instrument rating, I don't see what is so difficult about flying an ILS with either setup. I think that conventional gauges are somewhat more likely to be in less-than-standard locations, but otherwise, if you are a reasonably proficient pilot, you shouldn't be any more likely to kill yourself either way.

My flying is about equally split between Glass-do-everything panel / Basic IFR panel / Legal minimum VFR panel. I prefer the Legal Minimum setup personally - less stuff to break and/or distract me.

The reality of pilot employment right now: If you are in the situation where you care about the answer to this question, you should probably not get used to flying with the computer gizmos. I routinely fly a high performance single that has no attitude indicator, turn coordinator, vertical speed indicator, heading indicator, manifold pressure gauge, stall warning horn, VOR, NDB, or cup holder. Guess which I miss most in the air?

 

[derg]

The cup-holder!

What do I win?