737NG crash off coast of Bali. Lion Air

Getburned said:
Isn't lion air PFT
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Yep. >$33,500 for 500 hours, what a deal!!
http://www.eaglejet.net/FCatalog.asp?Submit=Display

FlyByWire22 said:
Why do people knock Lion Air when Southwest does the same thing? You pay for your 737 type rating and have the opportunity to fly for them, can someone explain this for me? I'm probably missing something...
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Yea shame on Southwest but people still go there, at least you used to be able to interview and would have to get the type within 6 mos or whatever, just before you'd start class. The thing with Lion is they are a very low class operation, have a bad reputation and you PAY for not only the type, but the hours to sit in the seat. Brings the industry down for the rest of us!
 
Plus, SWA requires that you get the type, not that you get the type from one of their "approved" middlemen for wildly more than it costs to get it anywhere else. Nor do they treat or pay you like a slave during your "line training" (which you're also paying for, remember!).
 
Looks like (from the outside looking in anyway) that they are getting what they paid for.
 
FlyByWire22 said:
Why do people knock Lion Air when Southwest does the same thing? You pay for your 737 type rating and have the opportunity to fly for them, can someone explain this for me? I'm probably missing something...
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Southwest requires you to pay for the type. These guys require you to pay for the type and then charge you to sit in the right seat. YOU pay THEM to go to work, where Southwest pays their FO's. Think of this airline as a time building school, you're just renting a 737 instead of a Seminole.
 
Derg said:
EagleJet! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Those people always get "butt hurt" when I talk bad about their operation.

(The laugh wasn't about the accident, just... EagleJet :))
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That's who AMF uses to fill the right seat in the 99, 1900 and 227.
 
Southwest doesn't require to pay for your type necessarily. They require you to be typed. Whether you or Uncle Sam or another airline paid for it, they could care less.
 
PFT should be the only route in the U.S. to get experience and fill your logbook. I wonder why Spirit has not started such program?...........:oops:
 
jtrain609 said:
Southwest requires you to pay for the type. These guys require you to pay for the type and then charge you to sit in the right seat. YOU pay THEM to go to work, where Southwest pays their FO's. Think of this airline as a time building school, you're just renting a 737 instead of a Seminole.
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Gotcha. I knew there was something missing, thanks.
 
Stomp16 said:
Also shows that they're on the EU's banned airlines list.
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That doesn`t really mean much, there are several airlines banned from EU airspace because they don`t meet the same standards, which are not always safety related. For some airlines flying in certain location is just not worth it to get all the papers right. In the Caribbean there are several airlines that are not allowed into EU airspace (French Guyana), it`s really just a matter of $, not safety, for example insurance requirements are much higher and some company would rather not have the right to operate in EU (most don`t even need to) then pay a premium. Most of the airlines "banned" don`t even have the airplanes to fly to Europe.
 
Getburned said:
Isn't lion air PFT
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They are a PFT for the first 500 hours, you actually pay for the type rating and a limited contract. When the contract is over you can sign a 4 year contract and you will be on a salary.

Depending on the program you can start making money even right after training, the contract is different too. There are flight schools in Europe affiliated with Lion Air, there you only pay for the type rating and you get a two year contract, you get paid from day one when you arrive in Indonesia, the money is pretty good and you will have your TR money back during the first 10 months while still still having coins in your pockets...have one friend that did this route last year.

This isn`t any different then working for any other airline in Europe ( that isn`t a a flag carrier ), where you pay for your type rating (but you also make enough money to have your money back in less then a year), the costs involved are very similar and since there are no jobs in EU, Indonesia is a popular destination.

Not defending PFTs or Lion Air but this is how things really are.
 
swisspilot said:
They are a PFT for the first 500 hours, you actually pay for the type rating and a limited contract. When the contract is over you can sign a 4 year contract and you will be on a salary.

Depending on the program you can start making money even right after training, the contract is different too. There are flight schools in Europe affiliated with Lion Air, there you only pay for the type rating and you get a two year contract, you get paid from day one when you arrive in Indonesia, the money is pretty good and you will have your TR money back during the first 10 months while still still having coins in your pockets...have one friend that did this route last year.

This isn`t any different then working for any other airline in Europe ( that isn`t a a flag carrier ), where you pay for your type rating (but you also make enough money to have your money back in less then a year), the costs involved are very similar and since there are no jobs in EU, Indonesia is a popular destination.

Not defending PFTs or Lion Air but this is how things really are.
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So if you do get payed, what is wrong with the program? Same deal as Southwest, other than airline reputation.
 
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