Tommay85
Well-Known Member
58 isn't the worst I've heard.
You're at AA now right? Stick around in the summer if you can and try to beat Matt and I's record of 223 and 240 something respectively!
Pilots who are afraid of the airplane
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58 isn't the worst I've heard.
You're at AA now right? Stick around in the summer if you can and try to beat Matt and I's record of 223 and 240 something respectively!
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
sure am. and jesus I'd love to try! One of the other new guys must've logged 140 last month. he had back to back to back 8 hours days for like 10 days and then a relocation to KFXE... meanwhile I sat in IA/MN and cursed the midwest clouds and winds!58 isn't the worst I've heard.
You're at AA now right? Stick around in the summer if you can and try to beat Matt and I's record of 223 and 240 something respectively!
I'm gonna try to stay for the summer if they give me the opportunity, especially if in the aztec, though that's not a dealbreaker obv.
TwoTwoLeft
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One good thing is that our company does take care of it pilots, and they have our back. We're pretty lucky in that aspect. Even under pt91 ops, company policy is to adhere to 135 flight & duty times. My company is aviation-serviced based, not a survey company that bought a sensor who operates an airplane. We have aircraft equipped for various types of survey work, other organizations just contract us out and install their equipment and we fly it. It can get interesting sometimes since two jobs are rarely ever alike. Except LIDAR, where we're either flying terrain or we're not. So far the biggest challenge has been ferrying the airplanes around the country that aren't FIKI and not worth a damn much above 10K. But I don't think I'll get much sympathy from you guys stuck in the AA 172s.
z987k
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AKA normal ops anywhere else I assume?
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
are you with the guys out of KS flying 206s??
Qutch
Question everything
True. My biggest irritation with the civilian school I'm now associated with is their refusal to offer meaningful spin and upset/recovery training, and the newer (non-military trained) CFIs' own fear of them. Their argument is that spins and unusual attitudes is something they trained to avoid. Getting into them on purpose just doesn't make any sense, is dangerous, and besides, they never received any serious training in them themselves. So what do you say to pilots who never received the benefit (and joy) of spin/aerobatic/upset recovery training? You can't just tell them to "suck it up."
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Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Surviving a year plus of 135 freight-doggin' can create an unhealthy overconfidence because you've made it through enough sphincter-clenching moments to make you believe you're invincible. Although I don't want to test that by flying a Navajo through a thunderstorm at night again. Day time, maybe.
z987k
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Are you kidding? A year of those and you emerge a god among mere mortals.Surviving a year plus of 135 freight-doggin' can create an unhealthy overconfidence because you've made it through enough sphincter-clenching moments to make you believe you're invincible. Although I don't want to test that by flying a Navajo through a thunderstorm at night again. Day time, maybe.
Right UAL747400?Who did you fly survey for?
TwoTwoLeft
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No, our fixed wing department operates Partenavias and a Chieftain, and we're based in Southern California. We spend a lot of time at home working off-shore, the Pacific Northwest, and Southeast. I've been out in Missisippi with my plane since mid December. My rotation ends tomorrow!
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Without discussing the finer points of the sister company's operating policy, let us merely state that it's very rare for that outfit to operate in less than VFR.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
we only operate rev in VFR, but relocations can be done however we choose! It's by no means as stressful as a 135 cargo ops where it's literally time sensitive. if I want to stop for the night and call it based on wx, that's fine by me.
I'm not flying through a TS or icing, but if it's just clouds and precip, you bet your bottom I'm flying!
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
That was 12 hours of flying a day with a relocation flight from Daytona to Spokane, WA. The ipod and scenery are the only things that kept me sane.
TwoTwoLeft
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The hardest part is finding qualified CFIs to provide good quality spin training. Sadly, ALL CFI's should be able to do this but can't for reasons you stated above. If your school had some one willing and qualified and they are not seeing the importance or taking advantage of it, they are doing a disservice to flight education.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
zulu2s were the best thing I could've bought for this job. after I got them in december I kicked myself in the rear for going 2 months without them!
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
The manufacturers with their "spin proof" (LOL) designs are also to blame.
In all, a sad state of affairs. Any airplane is an all-attitude vehicle, and you should at least get exposed to hanging upside down (deliberately) at least once in your flying career.
n57flyguy
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That is really there excuse? In my limited aerobatic experience, the people I have flown with let me screw up. You gain a healthy respect of the airplane after you try your first hammer head, roll over top and go into a spin at 3,000. I'm actually glad to see they added accelerated stalls back to the Commercial PTS, and I believe the Private as well. At least do insipid spins to see what the entry and development is like.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
I agree.
The first thing I did after my private ticket was a 260nm xc (each way) to go see my sister and her boyfriend (now my brother in law).
The very second thing I did was drive down to Leesburg, FL and flew with Steve Wolfe and had an upset training/aerobatic little day with him.
That is still to this day the most fun I've ever had in an aircraft. I learned what a spin is, and how to get out of it. I more importantly, learned how to not get in one! (at least, learned how to recognize it's coming)
of course I'm not an aerobatic master by any means, but if there is one thing I recommend to EVERY pilot out there that never has done it, do a spin training/upset attitude/aerobatic course. Not just 'jump in a 152 begin a spin and instantly get it out of the spin, here's your endorsement for you CFI' crap.
Qutch
Question everything
Good for you. That's how I started training as a 15.5 y/o. I started out thinking that spins were the main reason to take up flying. X-Country was boring by comparison. Unusual attitude recovery and aerobatics was standard at Air Force pilot training also. Part of the fun. But when I started re-familiarizing myself with civilian flight schools again, I found that the cookie-cutter flight schools now avoid them like the plague. The CFI's look at me like they are a deer caught in the headlights when I raise the issue.
I think that TwoTwoLeft is far more familiar with the CFI culture than I am. I just don't understand it. Why would anyone want to fly a plane, or sail a sailboat, unless they were thoroughly familiar with how to right the ship if (when) it capsizes?Hobie Cat
I used to own a Hobie Cat, and guests would sometimes chicken out of going with me when I started briefing them on emergency procedures, how to right the boat if we capsized. "We might capsize?!"
Fly_Unity
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They had Accelerated stalls in the last revision in the PTS for both private and commercial. However I got a call from the FAA (our POI) who said the accelerated stalls in the Private PTS was made in error and they made a revision to take it out. And they did (Although ASA still printed them in their PTS's for a while).
Last week I got another call from him saying he thinks the accelerated stalls in the commercial PTS are also in error and they they are possibly going to be removed as well. Not sure if that has actually been confirmed though.