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SIUav8er
Narcosis
Blasphemy! Bro = why not go to Skywest, 1900 = "yawn"
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Yes, now there's a fine question since many AMFers do exactly that even after they've acquired some of that magical TPIC time. Curious, isn't it?
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
I think the ones that leave before getting 1000 are nuts! Yes, 1000TPIC is nothing realistically speaking, but at the very least, it is a pretty hard insurance minimum that even the most charming personality is going to be hard pressed to get by. Seems like a good thing to have in your back pocket IMO. Especially if the regional you go to goes bust before you upgrade.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
The majors still have a platter of much more experience pilots to hire from. Give it time. Getting 121 jet time is only boosting their resume. The only problem is stomaching the low pay at the regional.
Seeing regionals left and right grow like the mad, stagnate, and then all of a sudden furlough or disappear doesn't exactly give me confidence knowing it would only be SIC time building in my log book knowing my regional could be next. I'm definitely making sure I have my 1000TPIC before I make my move. Opens up more opportunities with all the experience combined at that point.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
Eh, I'm pretty sure second year FO pay at Air Wisconsin and Skywest destroy us. I'm in the same boat in that I want a descent amount of turbine PIC time before I jump ship. I would have no problem going over to a regional for a year or two to "check off a box". I don't see myself hanging around here with hopes of going straight to a legacy/national carrier though. I don't think that's a realistic goal IMO.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
I could be making stuff up cause I can't tell the future like anybody else but I'll take being a low time pilot at the front of the hiring wave vs a high time pilot at the tail of the hiring wave, any year with any resume.
Eh, Millions of ways to skin the cat. But one way to eat tacos.
Eh, Millions of ways to skin the cat. But one way to eat tacos.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
it doesn't destroy us at all actually. We may be less, but I am easily sitting better than first year pilots right now. First year pay is what I need to stomach.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
True on first year pay, 20k vs 30k is a pretty significant mindset and lifestyle change, but Air Wisky guys are netting 45-60k on second year. I don't see even touching that here unless you've been around for over a decade in the Brasilia. Or TDYing constantly(which would suck). This is assuming that my math on actual net income is correct.
I do want to clarify that I do agree with your reasons for being here. But we do take a pretty decent income hit long term. 2 years(especially with a 1900/metro upgrade), I'd say we're even with the regionals. Beyond that, we start falling behind.
QOL is varied person to person obviously. Personally, the only thing I envy about regional flying is the blocks of time off.
pwa
Well-Known Member
Which one,and why?
To me, AMF is that girl in high school that you just... KNOW would've been a "hot sexy beast" of a lifetime" lol... But, you never had the chance to toss the beg-in-strip to.
I talked to Ms. Sherri once. Unfortunately my wife isn't having it. I almost lost her once and ain't willing to do it again. I did a trip for a buddy today to TOL and talked to some boys. It's not total gost-town, but damn they need some freight. Way too many empty cans. SW is there now... Anyone know anything about that? SA-227's
I talked to Ms. Sherri once. Unfortunately my wife isn't having it. I almost lost her once and ain't willing to do it again. I did a trip for a buddy today to TOL and talked to some boys. It's not total gost-town, but damn they need some freight. Way too many empty cans. SW is there now... Anyone know anything about that? SA-227's
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
1000TPIC is not an insurance minimum for anyone.
1000TPIC is what AMF has burned into everyone that SWA will hire you at that magic number. When was the last time you have seen an AMF guy hired at SWA?
Those numbers will change, US Air isnt asking for 1000TPIC, neither is Delta. UAL and SWA will change their tunes once the hiring gets real good again.
The regional versus freight debate could go on forever. But at some point you need to look at your outlook. If it takes 3-4 year to get 1000TPIC because the runs suck at your base, why not go to a regional, and make captain of a 121 aircraft at that time? We all know that the current 10 year upgrade times for regionals are BS, as soon as the flood gates open they will have to hire street captains just like some are already doing.
We won't know until the dust settles, but when one or two people leave a freight company for a regional its one thing, its a whole other thing completely when they are leaving in droves.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
What are the competitive numbers? I'm willing to bet it involves TPIC at the legacies. This is was matters in the end. People at majors on this very site say 1500 TPIC is optimal. With a background of 121, 135, CFI, TPIC, and PIC time in general I expect to be more competitive than most of the 2007-2008 zero to hero wave of pilots.
Also TPIC has had a huge past. AMF uses it as a recruiting item, but so does everyone else as it is was makes a pilot competitive for a good job in the future. When I joined AMF the airlines still required 1000 TPIC unless they were a national carrier such as Spirit, JetBlue, or Virgin.
Well you were stuck in oak. To get the maximum benefit out of AMF you have to move. I'll have my 1000 TPIC at about the 2.5 year mark.
In the end we won't know, but I believe a more varied background will be what can put me ahead at an interview.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
I wasn't talking about 121. Perhaps it's not even an insurance min on the 91 side either as I've only seen/heard it mentioned a handful of times. I don't buy anything coming out of management's mouths. Whatever preconceived ideas that I spout out on here are from spending 10 years on this forum.
